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Old 08-05-2007, 08:33 AM   #16 (permalink)
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Agree with Grinch...

The Knicks should be the best offensive team in the conference.....should be. They are also the deepest. The biggest question regarding the Knicks is how bad do they want it? Bad enough to play hard on the defensive end? If so, it would not surprise me to see them as a top 3 team. NY is truly the wild card in this conference, they could be a top team or they could crash and burn. No other team has such great potential for both. Don't worry about the Celtics. Marbury did a helluva job on Allen last year and they cannot defend both our 4 and 5. PP will hurt us as he always does but once both go to the benches, it's all NY. Only Chicago has NY kind of depth. Coaching is critical.
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Old 08-14-2007, 09:59 PM   #17 (permalink)
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kiya you dont think the fact that lee , crawford and richardson were all out at the time , marbury was playing hurt had anything to do with that losing streak?

do you think the players just decided they dont want to win anymore because thomas got an extention?

if their chemistry looked bad at that point it was because at the time lee was avg. 31 oe 32 mintes agame crawford 37 and richardson was getting 35 and those minutes had to filled by guys not used to playing with curry and marbury . a 48 minute game has 240 minutes to be given out and over 100 had to be doled to the not as good , the tired and the unfamiliar.

thats not thomas' fault , thats how it goes sometimes , people get hurt and teams have to adjust , but every1 else is in midseason form and the knicks basically have to change on the fly.

it didn't just happen to the knicks , the wizards got hurt , limped into the playoffs and got swept out of it.

The Knicks Chemistry looked bad for 82 games straight.
It is Isiah fault, because he could not get a combination of 3 players to play on the same page on both sides of the court.
Isiah had 82 games to get at least 3 or 4 Knick players out of 14 players to play with some team-chemistry. But he could'nt do that...
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Old 08-15-2007, 02:15 AM   #18 (permalink)
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This is my outcome in just the Atlantic Division:

I dont see Isiah Thomas changing his coaching stragey for the better of this talanted Knick Roster. Knick Players will not be happy this season either. Recall after the Isiah Thomas extension when the Knicks went on their longest losing streak of the season.

1) Nets (Best Frontcourt & Backcourt in the Division)

2) Toronto or Boston (Boston did not sign PG-Brevin Knight, playmaker needed)

3) Boston / Toronto(Toronto can not play PG-T.J Ford for 42 MPG for 82 Games)

4) Knicks (Save-Face coaching does not WIN many games)

5) Philly ( LOTTERY Team)

I'll take Chris Bosh and any other bigmen on the Raptors over Kristic, Magloire and Collins..
And no, Toronto can't play Ford for 42 mpg. That's why they have one of the top backup pg's in Jose Calderon..


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we'd be getting Bulls vs. Knicks, first round of the playoffs.
Now that would be worth it. One team stacked with defenisve bigmen, the other with two great offensive bigmen.


As for whoever said the Knicks will be the top offensive team, I doubt it. Randolph and Curry are black holes, and even if they did pass out of doubleteams there's no great shooter on the Knicks (one or two decent ones though..)
That would also be relying on top PG play from Marbury. Making passes when necesarry, not just when he can't shoot or is looking to get an assist. And yes, I know he started playing like that last year, let's hope he keeps it up.
It would also be relying on chemistry.
Frankly I don't think the Knicks will be even top 5 in either offensive efficiency or scoring.
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Old 08-15-2007, 06:06 AM   #19 (permalink)
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I'll take Chris Bosh and any other bigmen on the Raptors over Kristic, Magloire and Collins..
And no, Toronto can't play Ford for 42 mpg. That's why they have one of the top backup pg's in Jose Calderon..



Now that would be worth it. One team stacked with defenisve bigmen, the other with two great offensive bigmen.


As for whoever said the Knicks will be the top offensive team, I doubt it. Randolph and Curry are black holes, and even if they did pass out of doubleteams there's no great shooter on the Knicks (one or two decent ones though..)
That would also be relying on top PG play from Marbury. Making passes when necesarry, not just when he can't shoot or is looking to get an assist. And yes, I know he started playing like that last year, let's hope he keeps it up.
It would also be relying on chemistry.
Frankly I don't think the Knicks will be even top 5 in either offensive efficiency or scoring.

I have to admitt you know this Knick Team and its competitors.

Alot of Knick-Fans dont want to bring-up the name Marbury this offseason since the Knicks added Zach Randolph.
But Marbury has been the prime concern of this Knick Team the Last 3 seasons.
It has been up to Marbury 35 MPG for three seasons to get player involved offense & defensively on this Knick Roster. Out of 3 seasons Marbury supposed to have great meshing-chemistry with at least 3 Players on this Knick Roster (which I have not seen last season).
Remember Marbury is not a FAN-Favorite, he is President/Coach Isiah Thomas Favorite. Although, I LUV what he did off the court with his Sneakers and sports wear for children (It is FUN-Family shopping in Marbury stores).

I guess what I'm saying is Marbury may not be a Vocal-Leader, but at least his B-Ball talent should play like a Leader on the court.
Marbury is the longest playing Knick-Player on the roster, inwhich all his teammates look towards his play on defense, offense, and the scheme to WIN. It is up to Marbury to play harder than any other teammate on the team so his teammates could follow.
We Knick-Fan dont mind Marbury shooting the ball when the (24) shot clock is down to just 5 to 6 seconds left. We just want to see Marbury get all his teammates involve the first 19 seconds on the Shot-Clock, plus play some sneaky hard defense even if it cause a foul here or there.

And those of you Knick-Fans that want Nate Robinson traded need to know that "Little Nate" has picked-up every move and style of the "Marbury to Starbury" show down pack now with a well Halfcourt-offense game and a much better Running Offensive game with the running players on the Knicks roster.
So if Nate Robinson get traded this offseason, I'm only going to remember all of Nate Rookie Summer League Games with Ariza, Butler, and Frye comming back from 20 point defecits to WIN the game in practically all the 4th quarter games in that Knick Summer League games (they played BOTH sides of the court in order to WIN.).
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Old 08-15-2007, 02:18 PM   #20 (permalink)
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The Knicks Chemistry looked bad for 82 games straight.
It is Isiah fault, because he could not get a combination of 3 players to play on the same page on both sides of the court.
Isiah had 82 games to get at least 3 or 4 Knick players out of 14 players to play with some team-chemistry. But he could'nt do that...
I really dont know what you expect Kiya,

JC and eddy are so close they literally have matching tatoo's (Home Team on their arms)

eddy has known and played with Qrich since high school.

Jamal and nate were high school teammates and are pretty tight .

marbury has had in many people's eyes his best season with the knicks last season .

as far as chemistry goes this was probably as close a team the knicks had seen in over a decade.

and thomas' coaching is put under alot of scrutiny but he has made the playoffs in 3 of the 4 years he's coached and the year he didn't was in the top 8 seeds and rising with a month to go and their best sg/sf/pf'
s went down and killed their season.


he changed their focus and they had to adjust , they look like they have a better future because of it.
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Old 08-15-2007, 02:46 PM   #21 (permalink)
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dont worry about the celtics?? i dont care if marbury can guard allen, that leaves kg and pierce......and the knicsk big men cant guard anybody
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Old 08-15-2007, 06:20 PM   #22 (permalink)
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Hopefully the Knicks make it. With the Bulls being the favorites to be the #1 seed right now, we'd be getting Bulls vs. Knicks, first round of the playoffs.

The NBA can't take that away from us. Its been brewing for awhile now, but now its time for them to have a playoff series to take it up a level.
LMAO @ the bulls being favorites to be the #1 seed
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Old 08-16-2007, 05:39 AM   #23 (permalink)
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Well, I think Knicks have some chances at the 8th spot. The team has talents. I do think you guys need a better PG than Marbury though. Trade him for someone young less talented would be a good idea if he doesn't hug the ball and can run good offense.
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Well, I think Knicks have some chances at the 8th spot. The team has talents. I do think you guys need a better PG than Marbury though. Trade him for someone young less talented would be a good idea if he doesn't hug the ball and can run good offense.
About Time, someone mention the number one Problem why the Knicks cant WIN. I was hoping it was a Knick-Fan that mention the "Marbury-Problem".
I LUV the off the court native Marbury, but he has a Problem getting young athletic players in the offense his entire NBA career. Nothing changed.

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The Nate & Crawford Backcourt Tandem for just 30 MPG is a .500 and above backcourt tandem, that Marbury 35 MPG has stopped.

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eddy has known and played with Qrich since high school.
Last season these three players together (Curry, Q.Rich, and Crawford) started playing .500 B-Ball for this Knick Team when Isiah put David Lee in the lineup with them. It did not matter who was at the PG-Spot (Marbury, or Francis, or Nate) with the Four-Players. The Four Players (Curry, Lee, Q.Rich, Crawford) played both sides of the court with a .500 intensity that was SHOCKING to every Knick-Fan (the Knicks were 7-14 and looking Great with these WINNING Four Players). And Isiah Thomas goes and destroy this Four-Player chemestry by taking Jared Jefferies off of the Injured List and giving him 33 minutes of playingtime his first game as a Knick vs Mediocre Boston Celtics inwhich the Knicks lost that game by 4 points making them 7-15. The next game Isiah goes and put Jared Jefferies in the Starting lineup, and the Four chemistry Players were given a chance with the help of Nate & Balkman off the bench to WIN making the Knicks a 8-15 team, even with 27 poor minutes of Jared Jefferies. Oh yeah! After SF-Jared Jefferies second game played as a Knick averaging 30 MPG, player SF-Q,Richardson came down with a Season-Injury that gave Coach Isiah Thomas the chance to prove his offseason-plan of STARTERS: 6.11 Jared Jefferies, 6.11 Frye, and 6.11 Curry.

P.S. NBA Sports Writers and Commentators would speak highly of President/Coach Isiah Thomas this offseason if Isiah would have announced to the PRESS that Players "Eddy Curry & David Lee" was going to be his Starters next season, and the new addition of Zach Randolph will get a chance to play with both of his Starters off the bench to gain chemistry with the team.
But.... Isiah Thomas dont want to give any Credit to the Performance of David Lee. The only reason why David Lee is still a Knick is because RATINGS have put David Lee as the Top Knicks Fan Favorite, that is actually keeping Isiah Thomas his JOB after 3 full seasons of only 89-WINS...
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About Time, someone mention the number one Problem why the Knicks cant WIN. I was hoping it was a Knick-Fan that mention the "Marbury-Problem".
I LUV the off the court native Marbury, but he has a Problem getting young athletic players in the offense his entire NBA career. Nothing changed.


The Nate & Crawford Backcourt Tandem for just 30 MPG is a .500 and above backcourt tandem, that Marbury 35 MPG has stopped.



Last season these three players together (Curry, Q.Rich, and Crawford) started playing .500 B-Ball for this Knick Team when Isiah put David Lee in the lineup with them. It did not matter who was at the PG-Spot (Marbury, or Francis, or Nate) with the Four-Players. The Four Players (Curry, Lee, Q.Rich, Crawford) played both sides of the court with a .500 intensity that was SHOCKING to every Knick-Fan (the Knicks were 7-14 and looking Great with these WINNING Four Players). And Isiah Thomas goes and destroy this Four-Player chemestry by taking Jared Jefferies off of the Injured List and giving him 33 minutes of playingtime his first game as a Knick vs Mediocre Boston Celtics inwhich the Knicks lost that game by 4 points making them 7-15. The next game Isiah goes and put Jared Jefferies in the Starting lineup, and the Four chemistry Players were given a chance with the help of Nate & Balkman off the bench to WIN making the Knicks a 8-15 team, even with 27 poor minutes of Jared Jefferies. Oh yeah! After SF-Jared Jefferies second game played as a Knick averaging 30 MPG, player SF-Q,Richardson came down with a Season-Injury that gave Coach Isiah Thomas the chance to prove his offseason-plan of STARTERS: 6.11 Jared Jefferies, 6.11 Frye, and 6.11 Curry.

P.S. NBA Sports Writers and Commentators would speak highly of President/Coach Isiah Thomas this offseason if Isiah would have announced to the PRESS that Players "Eddy Curry & David Lee" was going to be his Starters next season, and the new addition of Zach Randolph will get a chance to play with both of his Starters off the bench to gain chemistry with the team.
But.... Isiah Thomas dont want to give any Credit to the Performance of David Lee. The only reason why David Lee is still a Knick is because RATINGS have put David Lee as the Top Knicks Fan Favorite, that is actually keeping Isiah Thomas his JOB after 3 full seasons of only 89-WINS...
are you aware that the knicks record with david lee as a starting 4 is 3-5 ?...thats not .500.

also there is a reason lee didn't continue to start for a very simple reason ....the slow starts that plagued the knicks when Lee was on the bench didn't stop when Lee was paired with Curry as a starter , but their ability to come back from those slow starts were compromised because they couldn't put Lee in the game to inject energy into the game and get them back into the game, so there is quite alot of proof to say Lee actually doesn't mesh with Curry and more than Frye did , its just that he plays better period.

but his presence actually had little impact alongside curry anymore than if Lee was alongside balkman or morris, jeffries or james .
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If the Knicks don't make the playoffs then Isiah has got to go. Adding Zach for basically nothing based on last year's performances should add 5-7 wins and better health ,and conditioning from certain players, should add another 3-5 wins. Low 40's in wins means the playoffs. Of course all the important pieces, except Marbury, have had extended absences due to injury ot health more than once which makes the Knicks a fragile lock to make the playoffs.
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"It's about time we got some pros over in the Eastern Conference," James said Thursday after Team USA held its second practice. "I think it's going to be good. I think the Eastern Conference is definitely going to step up a notch now because Boston wasn't a playoff team, but now they're looking like they're going to be a playoff team. New York is definitely going to have a good shot at it again, and the Eastern Conference is definitely stepping it up. I think it's good for the league."
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