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alphaorange · 10-18-2007, 07:31 PM

This team is not going to be very good. As good a talent evaluator as IT is, he is equally bad at assembling a balanced team. I suspect that playing Curry and Zach together will only serve to detract from each others success, rather than enhance it. Defensively, there is NO inside presence and the perimeter defense may be even worse. I think the wheels are going to come off early and the fans are going to be pissed. He may not finish the year.

**Krstic All Star** · 10-18-2007, 07:34 PM

I agree. Watching Curry and Randolph 'on defense' together is frighteningly bad.

HB · 10-18-2007, 07:38 PM

The problem also happens to be too many players with similar skill sets. Everyone of them seems like a one on one type player and not enough true role players. A good point guard will be able to get everyone involved, but who knows if Marbury is capable of that.

**Truknicksfan** · 10-18-2007, 08:04 PM

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This team is not going to be very good. As good a talent evaluator as IT is, he is equally bad at assembling a balanced team. I suspect that playing Curry and Zach together will only serve to detract from each others success, rather than enhance it. Defensively, there is NO inside presence and the perimeter defense may be even worse. I think the wheels are going to come off early and the fans are going to be pissed. He may not finish the year.

You may be right, but I hope your not concluding that from 2 preseason L's.

We have to give them time to develop some chemistry. Remember they have done NOT A THING as far as playing together this offseason. Give the team a few weeks into the season before we start to spectate on if this is going to work or not.

Also, or our perimeter defense is just painful to watch. I swear Nate and JC have two left feet. Another reason why Mardy should be such a big part of this team instead of nate. Mardy is a defender, a passer, a leader and can drive to the basket.(D-Nic also was pretty good at defending in the summer league)

**USSKittyHawk** · 10-18-2007, 08:50 PM

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Originally Posted by Truknicksfan

You may be right, but I hope your not concluding that from 2 preseason L's.

We have to give them time to develop some chemistry. Remember they have done NOT A THING as far as playing together this offseason. Give the team a few weeks into the season before we start to spectate on if this is going to work or not.

Also, or our perimeter defense is just painful to watch. I swear Nate and JC have two left feet. Another reason why Mardy should be such a big part of this team instead of nate. Mardy is a defender, a passer, a leader and can drive to the basket.(D-Nic also was pretty good at defending in the summer league)

I'm not going to jump the gun either Tru, but Dog is making valid points. They don't know the meaning of defense, and if they can't defend in the East, they won't win nothing. I have a feeling Fred Jones will more than likely get a lot more playing time than we expected because he is probably one of the better defenders on this team alongside Mardy. Isiah may have to trade away a few key players, we are just stockpiled with an arsenal of players, who can't defend a stop sign. We still missing that key shot blocker that has eluded us over the years. I sure wish we could somehow get Marcus Camby back and somehow get rid of either Curry or Zach (prefer to get rid of Curry) so that Zach can have a defender up front to offset his weak defense. Nate at this point can go, I won't lose sleep over it.

Samael · 10-18-2007, 10:50 PM

I'm gonna comment solely on the Zach/Curry combo.

The problem is that IT is using Zach in the same way he used Frye purely as a perimeter/baseline jump shooter when he's with Curry on the Floor.

And when he does decide to utilize Zach in the post, he rests Curry and brings in David Lee and of course now David Lee is now playing Zach's position and he doesn't have a consistent perimeter shot like Zach so David Lee's man roams and goes to help double Zach in the post rendering Zach's post game useless. WTF??

And to make things even more difficult both Zach and Curry are black holes, it would be nice to utilize them in a moving high/low but both morons whenever they get the ball it never comes out.

I hope IT figures this out because I know it could be a devastating combo on offense when utilized properly as for defense well... lets just hope that they out score the other team instead.

alphaorange · 10-19-2007, 05:09 AM

You're missing the point. There is a TOTAL lack of inside defensive presence, and that can't be "schemed". In addition, pairing very similar players almost always results in diminished production from both, or a big drop form one of them. We are now officially earthbound at the 4 and 5. This team does indeed have talent but it is really mis-matched. There will be some really good nights that will have everyone talking about how far we will go, and there will be many more that have folks complaining about no shooting, no defense, no flow, and no win. Kiyaman is much closer to the truth than most realize.

**USSKittyHawk** · 10-19-2007, 05:38 AM

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Stop! It is only preseason. This is only the second game with the power post duo of Zach and Eddy. Yes, the New York Knickerbockers have been thrashed by two division rivals by an average of 25 points. But facts are still facts. The Knicks interior defense has shown more cleavage than Pam Anderson. Their offense has looked breathtakingly bad. New team, same results or same old Knicks are not the motto’s the marketing guys upstairs were thinking. Nonetheless, this dismal start has causes a personal epiphany.

Follow me on this one. Isaiah’s obtuse almost improvisational team building skill set is devoid of logic. Clueless is clearly a word that should be attached Isaiah’s tenure with these Knicks. It is apparent to all that Isaiah has missed the memo on chemistry. His “wildly experimental” platform conjures up images of another iconoclast. His name was Doctor Frankenstein.

The good doctor wanted to take an inanimate object and imbue it with life. Isaiah wants to take two nearly inanimate objects and do something similar. He wants to take two offensively gifted, defensively deficient, shot blocking bereft, passing impaired post players and create a ‘power post game.’ Like the good doctor this ill advised experiment was doomed before it started. Stevie Wonder sent me an email after the Zach Randolph trade and told me he knew it would not work. Despite the obvious, Isaiah and the good doctor have proceeded with their ill fated undertaking with an unabashed fervor- critics be damned. Unlike the good doctor, Isaiah should know better. His last misplaced endeavor of pairing two shoot first, pass second, defensively challenged point guards prone to mind numbingly bad decisions at crunch time imploded like a sub prime mortgage. Their names were Francis and Marbury. What was the aphorism about mistakes being our teachers?

In the interim the Knicks will get better. They just will not win many games and end up in the lottery-if Isaiah does not trade the pick .That will make seven consecutive losing seasons. Do not forget the Knicks have not smelled the playoffs in 5 years and 35 years have elapsed since their last NBA championship. There are too many to blame is the narrative of managerial and organizational dysfunction. Out of the darkness comes the light. The Isaiah “dead man walking” watch begins now. He has also acquired a more befitting sobriquet-Isaiah Franken-Thomas. The world’s most famous arena remains an abyss of futility. The inexorable downward spiral continues. Anyone have Net tickets?

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If I didn't know better, I would think Kiya or Dog wrote this.

alphaorange · 10-19-2007, 09:13 AM

Funny girl......

. It doesn't take any real special insight to see that the team is a mess. The more pressure IT feels, the more likely he is to make dumb moves (Zach as exhibit "A"). Look at it like an outsider and not as a fan, and you'll see.

mediocre man · 10-19-2007, 12:39 PM

Although Curry is probably more mobile than Jamaal Magloire, watching he and Zach last season in the game at the same time was painful as all hell.

knickstorm · 10-19-2007, 03:37 PM

ddnt take a 40 point whooping by the celtics to let me know this team wasnt going to be any good........they'll be lucky to make the playoffs, just a bunch of discombobulated talent on this tea,

**Da Grinch** · 10-19-2007, 03:41 PM

while i agree the interior defense is not good there is something to remember ...it was just as bad last year and it wasn't the reason the team couldn't make the playoffs .

defensively i would rather have randolph than frye just because he boards well , Frye wasn't a good man defender or a good help guy although he was/is a better help defender than randolph though probably not any better defending his man.

i see the same issues basically the team had last year and pretty much the same strengths , but i think the team will be better defensively anyway if only marginally because the perimeter defense should be better because craw has some more meat on him , balkman's role will be expanded as will mardy's and craw's backup will actually play defense and spell him providing a defensive boost and JC will have to play better defense or he'll sit more.

i dont put much stock in a 2-2 preseason different teams try to get different things out of the exibition games , the knicks are trying new things and trying to gell with randolph and curry on the court at the same time.

alphaorange · 10-19-2007, 07:00 PM

Anybody can see this team has real issues. There is NO WAY they are better defensively this year because of the reasons you give. Jc's lack of defense had nothing to do with his build. It had everything to do with his lack of effort. As bad as the bigs are, the guards are even worse. Opposing backcourts are shooting what? 90% against us? You honestly think the lack of defense didn't keep us out of the playoffs? Wow...you're a strange cat. Just missed by a little and we absolutely sucked on that end. Decent defense and we cruise into the playoffs. JC has been horrible so far and no sign of him sitting. Balkman will be Balkman and Mardy is not seeing much time. IT is trying to emphasize offense (no mater what he says) and its failing miserably.

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