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01-11-2008, 05:37 PM
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Re: How would you fix the Knicks?
I think whats important to do is clear up some roles on this team: too many scorers on the starting five, not enough youth being developed on a team that isnt going anywhere.
In terms of how to go about trades, the problem is that all these players have atrocious contracts and making a move for equal talent is virtually impossible to do. But I believe by trading some of these players, you'll be better able to develop roles for this team. So, the first move I'd make is Curry for Damon Jones and Donyell Marshall. The Cavs do it because they get offensive help for LeBron for players that arent playing much on this team. By trading Curry, the Knicks clear up who their interior offensive option is (Zach) who is better on the line and can be allowed to do what he does best which is play offense. Plus, you acquire 2 players who will be kept on the bench and have expiring contracts that coincide with some other big contracts 2 years from now (Jerome James, Stephon, Malik Rose) which will amount in total to about 40 million off the books.
Then I'd move Crawford for Brian Cardinal and Hakim Warrick, again for the purpose of removing some bulk from this team, infuse some of the younger guys into the starting lineup to develop, and for contract reasons. Cardinal and Q's contracts are removed the next year, freeing up 13 mil. Memphis does it to add another scorer to fit their up-tempo style for 2 players who arent doing much on their bench.
So, in terms of a lineup, you'd be looking at:
PG: Stephon, Nate, Damon Jones
SG: Q, Collins
SF: Balkman, Jefferies, Warrick
PF: Lee, Marshall
C: Zach, James
The problem with this lineup is obviously interior defense, but I think with this team you can play an up-tempo offense with agile bigs in Lee, Balkman, Jeffries, and Warrick all being able to get up and down the court. Plus, you get rid of the bad contracts on the team all at the same time 2-3 years from now, allowing you to make a run for a big name FA to go along with some of the younger talents that you pick up since youre picking high in the draft.
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01-11-2008, 07:13 PM
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#77 (permalink)
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X-Mas Taker
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As usual Alpha,
you huff and puff and ultimately provide nada.
a big cop out actually
i ask for detail because without it you can post the drivel you just did, how do the knicks get another lotto pick , and a good one at that , the players you mentioned all figure to go in the top 7 or so picks...a good chance the 5 you named could actually be the top 5 picks.
your big plan is mostly hinged on 2 lotto picks ?
the knicks cant deal their 2009 pick period , their 2010 pick is going to utah its unprotected so it is going , unless of course the knicks decde to send them their pick in 2009 instead(which they can do) in either case its not going in any deal you mentioned....so its a no go there...the rule is you cant trade your pick 2 years in a row not any pick , so as long as the jazz deal is on the books the knicks cant trade their 2009 pick under any circumstances.
even if it were possible its still foolhearty , history has shown that.
this decade had had 8 drafts and there have been 8 instances in which a team has had 2 lottery picks in it (in fact the bulls alone have done this 4 times in 2000, 2001, 2003 and 2006), it usually doesn't work, in fact its most successful incarnation last years blazers was more to other GM's insanity than the blazer GM's intelligence.
the bulls who desperately need a post up presence trade the best post up guy in the draft for tyrus thomas
and the t'wolves who almost as desperately needed a dynamic guard to go with Garnett traded the best one in the draft to the blazers for randy foye.
the blazers actually weren't in position to get either until some1 else let them have them in trade.
its interesting you term other plans as pipe dreams when your plan basically is the biggest i've seen in some time.
and before you go on patting yourself on the back too much for supposed right calls you have more than your share of miscues(D. nichols, david lee channing frye , tyson chandler to name a few)
but like i said this is a pipe dream , if somehow the knicks could get the top 2 talents in the draft like portland did last year , i could see it bringing a quick turnaround , but it requires such an extreme amount of luck in both drafting position and other GM's incompetetnce, its just a foolish undertaking to believe your plan is realistic.
and to get the best rookies you almost always have to be drafting before where Roy was drafted last season ...counting him in the last 20 drafts the rookie of the year has been beyond the 5th pick 3 times , once being a Thomas pick of damon stoudamire in 1998 the others being Roy and amare stoudamire
and to get those picks for a GM whom you seem to have no real faith in his drafting abilities...so figure that.
outside of the ideas that are against nba rules , what you have been posting is far from original...like i've said its been done 8 times this deade alone.
you proved very well why detail is needed when you post.
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01-12-2008, 07:18 AM
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#78 (permalink)
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You're an idiot
They can most certainly trade an'09 pick if they have 2 of them. Re-read. I won't even begin to correct you if you can't see the similarities in principle between what you asked of me and the type of crap you spew. Do me a favor...don't bother responding to my posts and I won't bother reading yours. Deal? Moron.
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01-12-2008, 11:44 PM
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Re: You're an idiot
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Originally Posted by alphaorange
They can most certainly trade an'09 pick if they have 2 of them. Re-read. I won't even begin to correct you if you can't see the similarities in principle between what you asked of me and the type of crap you spew. Do me a favor...don't bother responding to my posts and I won't bother reading yours. Deal? Moron.
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its funny ...you in your last post to me you made a bit of a stink about me only picking one part of something you posted and not the whole (boobie gibson )here was alot more to my post than that and i noticed you couldn't respond to any of it...most likely because facts are hard to argue.
a simple mind often resorts to insults when his/her logic fails them....and you resort to insults in your posts an awful lot .
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01-18-2008, 01:08 PM
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Re: How would you fix the Knicks?
In 4 words...
Get rid of Marbury
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Chris Paul this year is not better than any year of J Kidd. Thats just a stupid, ignorant thing to say. I should get Jason Kidd to punch your wife in the face.
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