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11-20-2007, 08:28 PM
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How would you fix the Knicks?
The team seems to be going nowhere despite some of it's solid talent, so what are the necessary steps you would take to turn around this once proud franchise?
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11-20-2007, 08:39 PM
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Re: How would you fix the Knicks?
Get rid of Dolan and Isiah, hire Herb Williams as coach, and make a few trades.
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11-20-2007, 09:57 PM
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Re: How would you fix the Knicks?
Keep it the way it is, BUT with a few changes that can be made to make this season unforgettable and truly special...
Trade David Lee to get Steve Francis back.
Trade Renaldo Balkman and whatever picks you can for Ricky Davis.
More run ins between Isiah Thomas and Stephon Marbury.
Players refusing to practice.
Major brawl with another team that brings the Knicks together.
Major locker room brawl to tear the Knicks apart.
Isiah Thomas suits up for a game. First player coach in decades.
This combined with the continuation of Isiah's so far superb work will make this season the best yet in the Isiah Thomas era. Don't let us down Knicks, we are staying tuned.
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11-20-2007, 10:46 PM
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Re: How would you fix the Knicks?
Honestly, I would concede the frontcourt just leave it as it is. It's one of the major problems obviously, both Zach and Eddy can't defend, both are useless help defenders, the twin tower experiment might be working on offense but it has failed miserably on defense.
What I would do instead is cover up the defensive liabilities of the frontcourt by bloistering the backcourt because it's not really helping when th backcourt guys get beat all the time, then all that's left to cover is Zach and Eddy that just won't work at all.
I would rather have lock down defenders on the backcourt than what the Knicks have at the moment.
I'd take a Pietrus/Bell type player over Jamal Crawford.
I'd take a pass first PG with decent defense like Bibby/Miller
Make a move for Artest.
With a tougher defensive backcourt it may just be enough to cover the defensive stupidity of the froncourt.
then hire a defensive minded coach like Carlisle then let most of the scoring come from the frontcourt.
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11-20-2007, 10:48 PM
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Re: How would you fix the Knicks?
I'd make a real, real big bomb. Get all the players and coaches in MSG for practice and............boom.
Clean slate.
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11-20-2007, 10:51 PM
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Re: How would you fix the Knicks?
solid talent and yet the team isn't going anywhere. duh. Once the Houston and Spre duo came to and end the clock was ticking for knicks management to figure out it was time to break the team down and rebuild. tick tick tick... its almost 2008. Seriously it should have started a couple a years ago at least. There is no saving this team. There is no magic trade or coach that can fix this team. Keep your youth dump everyone else. try and get picks other youth and save money by bringing back shorter and expiring contracts. have herb finish out the year.
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11-20-2007, 10:53 PM
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Re: How would you fix the Knicks?
Ok lets be realistic and keep the sarcasams away for a little bit. First and foremost get a TRUE pointguard, Nate is a good back-up but need a true floor general who thinks pass first shoot second. Trade Zach while his value is high for a threat down-low who can rebound and play interior defense while giving you points in the paint. Someone like Drew Gooden, Pau Gasol, Kenyon Martin, someone who plays close to those.
Trade Q along with some other bench player not named David Lee and Nate for a SF like Ricky Davis. Now i'm not the GM for this team so obviously i didnt take my time to think of real trade scenarios but gave a little input of what the knicks have to do to get outta this slump. Trade away the roster basically not named Eddy Curry, Jamal Crawford, David Lee, Nate Robinson, and Balkman.
Knicks trade Jared Jefferies, Malik Rose, Q.Richardson, 2008 1st round draft pick, 2010 1st rounder, and 2009 2nd rounder to Sac.Town for Shareef Abdur Rahim, Ron Artest, Kenny Thomas.
Then you trade Zach, Fred Jones, Wilson Chandler, and Mardy Collins and a draft choice to Memphis for Pau Gasol and Damon Stoudamire.
Now you have a team of -
PG - Damon Stoudamire | Nate Robinson
SG - Jamal Crawford | Maurice Evans
SF - Ron Artest | Shareef Abdur Rahim |
PF - Pau Gasol | Kenny Thomas |
C - Eddy Curry | David Lee | Randolph Morris
Then trade of 2 of the remaining key bench players like Renaldo Balkman for Maurice Evans. Final step buy-out Stephon. And their a whole new knicks team which is not in a mess.
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11-20-2007, 11:40 PM
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Re: How would you fix the Knicks?
As a knick fan, I am in tears. Its been years since we got a decent team out there. The two coaches I want is already taken, Stan Van Gundy and Rick Adelman. The GM I want would probably be one of the old guys, West, Colangelo or Walsh. The problem with Walsh is that I'm afraid he will keep Isiah.
My goal during the Isiah fiasco was to get under the cap by the time Lebron's FA. New York is still an attractive place for a megastar the problem is, we keep overspending on mediocre, overhyped players.
I would trade Eddy Curry, Crawford, Qrich, Jared Jeffries, Marbury, Zbo, for shorter contracts. Tough thing to do but I would try. Each trade I would give them 3 million dollars to boot.
I would also buy any late first rounders for 2-3m dollars. Hi, Phoenix Suns.
I would buy any 2nd rounder that I think a player has a potential to be a great role player or hide some Euro talent in Europe. (Scola, Arenas, Boozer, Ginobili, Gibson).
If I don't have any room on my roster, I'll draft a European player in the first round and stash them in Europe. It would be stupid for us to force anything. Guys like Sergio Rodriguez comes to mind.
My first round pick for this year would be either Derrick Rose, Michael Beasley, Kevin Love or anyone that has great potential WITH A BRAIN. No OJ mayo, I dont' want any of that crap streetballas in MSG. This isn't the damn west 4th street playground.
Yes, give me Tyler Hansborough heart and work ethic in the late first round. Give me guys that will work hard in the late first round then a project.
I would go and try to sign Pietrus, Calderon, Ryan Gomes... all of these players are restricted FAs though.
I would start to cut ties with long term contracts. I'll let Marbury play out his miserable career and let him walk. As well as any other players that is close to being a FA.
My goal is to make this team athletic (yeah like Isiah wanted it) but with brains. I want this team to play hard with huge amount of work ethic. Knick fans CAN SUPPORT LOSERS that plays hard and give it all 110%. They will root for a rebuilding project as long as the kids are like David Lee and Balkman. Not Marbury, Curry and Crawford.
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11-21-2007, 05:05 AM
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Cat Launcher
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Re: How would you fix the Knicks?
You trade everyone on the roster with the goal of shredding salary. That means trading talent for trash. Fire everyone in the front office, lose another 2-3 seasons and try to build with draft picks. Just look at what Portland did with their team.
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11-21-2007, 06:23 AM
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Re: How would you fix the Knicks?
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Originally Posted by Kunlun
Keep it the way it is, BUT with a few changes that can be made to make this season unforgettable and truly special...
Trade David Lee to get Steve Francis back.
Trade Renaldo Balkman and whatever picks you can for Ricky Davis.
More run ins between Isiah Thomas and Stephon Marbury.
Players refusing to practice.
Major brawl with another team that brings the Knicks together.
Major locker room brawl to tear the Knicks apart.
Isiah Thomas suits up for a game. First player coach in decades.
This combined with the continuation of Isiah's so far superb work will make this season the best yet in the Isiah Thomas era. Don't let us down Knicks, we are staying tuned.
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If you can't have a real discussion don't bother to contribute to the thread. Leave the sarcasm at the door, because it's getting old.
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11-21-2007, 08:49 AM
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Re: How would you fix the Knicks?
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If you can't have a real discussion don't bother to contribute to the thread. Leave the sarcasm at the door, because it's getting old.
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11-21-2007, 09:07 AM
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Re: How would you fix the Knicks?
This is how I would fix the Knicks
Number one is to hire an experienced, successful GM. Then you make it clear that the reshaping of the Knicks will take multiple years and the GM will have 100% ownership backing during the process. Next is to determine the core group of players to build around and, besides David Lee there aren't any for sure keepers. The Knick fans demand players who give 100% effort on both ends of the court and all aspects of the game. That means it is time to end the relationships with Crawford, Curry and Marbury. Fortunately there are probably a number of teams that would be interested in Curry and perhaps even Crawford. I wouldn't give them away but they don't seem to be capable of performing consistently at a high level on both ends of the court and are simply not winning NBA players. I think the new coach needs to set the parameters around which the team will practice and play , probably like Larry Brown did, and be 100% supported by the GM. If there are players who don't like that then get them off the team. Hopefully it won't take as long to turn around as some franchises took ( Chicago, LA Clipps ) or are taking ( Atlanta, Portland)
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11-21-2007, 10:02 AM
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Re: How would you fix the Knicks?
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Originally Posted by R-Star
I'd make a real, real big bomb. Get all the players and coaches in MSG for practice and............boom.
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LMAO....I was thinking the same thing. Just give Zach Randolph and David Lee a heads-up beforehand, then bombs away! Seriously though, the Knicks are one huge dysfunctional mess and I don't think there's any easy fix here. The most obvious place to start is with the owner and the coach/GM. Dolan doesn't have a clue and Isiah has truly lost his mind. After that, trade or release everyone on the roster with the exception of Randolph and Lee and start all over again. This franchise has rotted from the inside, and until changes are made with the ownership and management, things are just going to get worse.
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11-21-2007, 10:26 AM
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