USSKittyHawk

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Krstic All Star

As we pretty much all predicted, the Knicks have chosen to go with their overpaid lumbering frontcourt over energy guys like Lee and Balkman. Feh

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Tom

Looking back at Isaah's support of Rodman when he spoke down to Larry Bird...I think we know why he isn't playing.

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USSKittyHawk

Oh please, that isn't the reason why he isn't playing, the Randolph trade killed it for Lee. If he was such a big racist, then he wouldn't have drafted Lee in the first place. Posts like the one above demonstrates you should stick with your political posts.

What should happen is that now we see the Curry and Randolph tandem not living up to the hype, Isiah should adjust his minutes because the L's are surpassing the W's.

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I don't think so. I don't care who they picked up...Lee can still get minutes. He is at the very least a complete idiot. He drafted Lee with no expectations...like taking a flyer on a Euro.

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USSKittyHawk

@ Isiah drafting Lee, with no expectations. He had scouts watching him from the very beginning and was high on him that's why he got drafted. Get your posts out of the sand. What you going to tell me next? Is that Chandler isn't getting any playing time as well because he is light skin?

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Da Grinch

The whole I.Thomas is a racist is so old and untrue.

his best friend during those piston years was Bill Lambeer.

He was so close to the Pistons owner in those years they used to call him Bill Davidson's son.

its ignorance really because the Bird comment wasn't as much about Bird as it was about the reporters reporting on him .

he was saying if Bird wasn't white they(being the media) would consider him just another good player.

this is his quote in its entireity

http://www.encyclopedia.com/doc/1G1-7595311.html

in truth he was just backing a teammate...not the world's biggest crime.

I dont see an insult there, racial or otherwise.

its odd though Rodman is the one who actually denigrated Bird and no mention has ever been made that he is a racist ...all thomas did was compliment Bird while agreeing with Dennis.

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Chan

Agreed. Thomas was the one who made the decision, and he has to try to justify it. It's not working, but he's stubborn like that. I don't blame him for this particular decision, because I'd do the same.

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Da Grinch

I think the unspoken truth is this.

David Lee or the whole bench for that matter has been performing under expectations.

last season the bench was such a catalyst for good on the knicks in fact it may have been the single biggest advantage the team had , they would come in and boom if the knicks were down they were right back in it and if it was close the knicks took control on most nights.

that hasn't really happened this season.

lee and even balkman to a lesser degree have not had the impact expected of them, robinson has been spotty , collins non-existant

jared has been ho-hum , jerome james hasn't even played yet morris has had a hard time making it on the court as has wilson chandler.malik has been malik...which really isn't much.

the only guy who has been good off the bench and has played as well or even better than expected has been fred jones ...1 out of 10 is not a good ratio.

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alphaorange

Until Jones became your posterboy in MIl., he was shooting 37% with a lot of TOs based on time played. Thats better than you expected? Lee is actually boarding at the same rate as always. He shooting % is all the way down to 48%. Woohoo. All the other numbers are comparable to last year. Its early. Wanna bet he ends up over 50%? Typical post by you....unsubstantiated tripe.

Da Grinch

you know whats typical tripe ?

your need to win an argument with 1-2 stats like no one here knows anything about basketball.

what about the fact that jones is 4th on the team in steals (he really should 3rd morris has only played 5 minutes this season , he really shouldn't even count, because i dont think any1 really believes he can keep up the pace if he played more.

he is tied for 3rd on the team in blocks with balkman,

he is only 1 of 3 players on the team who if you added his blocks and steals together it would be more than his turnovers along with balkman and qrich so his handling of the ball is fine and his activity is great, and more importantly his impact has been a misnomer among the bench players that he is performing at or above expectations(see once again you misread what i wrote by merely stating that I posted that jones was playing above expectations...Reading is Fundamental , you are over 50 at some point you should get it and comprehend what you are posting about.)

and who cares what his %s are after 10 games played , he has played in 11 and his shooting % is .436, pretty decent for whats expected of him(career .410 shooter) if i took Lee's perentages from his best game out of his season averages you would ( &rightly so) jump all over it , so dont be 2faced and try it with me...if you wanted to bring up jones' after he played 10 games % you should have done it before the bucks game...when it would have mattered.

and lee is not playing as well as he did last season , thats obvious stats or no stats, his impact has been significantly less, last season every1 was so big on his +/- stats ...wonder why it hasn't been mentioned much this year ?

it probably has something to do with the fact that he has a negative rating in fact one of the lowest on the team while Zach has one of the highest , the exact opposite of last season with frye and Lee, so there really shouldn't be much of a clamoring for him to play more ...it isn't helping.

of course the slight fact that lee's 23.7 avg. isn't very different from the 25.7 he was avg. last season after november means little and that Randolph has been a much better player at the starting 4 couldn't mean anything especially when coupled with the fact that Lee hasn't been as good as he was last season at this time or really at any point until he got hurt.

i mean its just 1 stat but what makes a player go from shooting .636 to .478 in consecutive novembers , outside of the numbers things like paul milsap coming in and tearing Lee a new one in the Jazz game , just didn't happen last season because

1. lee never left his man so guys who lived off of garbage baskets just had their opportunities lessened by that fact alone.

2. he played with alot more energy last season he got alot more accomplished.

this season he still didn't leave much, milsap just took it right at him and his deer in headlights "put your arms straight up in the air" routine just didn't work.

if you looked purely at the numbers he garnered 8 points and 4 boards in 20 minutes ...not too bad , but when you actually saw the game you knew numbers or no numbers he didn't fare well at all that game.

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alphaorange

Its plain what you know or don't know. Lee is pretty much the same player as he was. So if Randolph is such a superior player to the team...and the team is virtually the same except him for Frye...why are we so bad? I can answer this for you..."we are bad now but we're going to get much better"...or how about this one..." the other guys just aren't getting it done". Close? As I said before and it is only more obvious on this team, Zach is a guy that needs to get a lot of shots and he is NOT conducive to ball movement or balance. He and Curry cannot exist together and it was a mistake to get him. You can go back and check on that. While you were expounding on the offensive juggernaut known as the knicks, I was saying that Curry and Zach would not be as effective together as they were alone. Not close. While I said we needed more outside shooting, you were saying Zach would provide some of that. You said we wouldn't NEED to be a great defensive team because we were going to outscore people. I am STILL waiting for one of your observations or predictions to come true. And BTW, Lee had as much to do with the pitiful win the other night as anyone. He was huge at the end with his hustle and boards. He's on the bench...we probably don't win. People get all caught up in the numbers game with Zach. His liabilities go beyond the numbers and Lee's benefit goes beyond them the other way. If Zach played defense and passed, it would be different, but he doesn't. I've seen nearly every game this year and I can't tell you how many times his sticky hands has been mentioned. This team is NOT going anywhere until some very big changes are made. Thomas actually made us WORSE on both sides of the ball. Remember the saying that the whole is greater than the sum of it's parts? Well, the Knick team is just the opposite. When adding the individual talents of the players, we should, theoretically, end up with a given quantity that equals that number. However, when it comes to real life, it is seldom so. Sometimes the result is inexplicably higher....and sometimes (like the Knicks), it is lower. The really special GMs can not only evaluate talent, they have a real feel for how it needs to fit together to be better, or at least equal, than the sum. Thomas does not possess that quality. Jerry Colangelo does. Until Thomas goes, we will struggle. Its going to get worse before better. He is starting to lose the players.

Da Grinch