I'd feel terrible for Memphis fans. Z-Bo sucks. He can rebound and shoot. He can't pass, he can't play defense. He can't create for teammates (well, I guess teams do double him. He just doesn't pass out). If you can get Darko and Lima for him, you do it.
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Well... Kevin O'Neill could also help him improving his defensive game. But they would be stupid if they trade for him without including Jaric AND Buckner and his bad contracts.
Buckner is not guaranteed after this season. Jaric and Darko are trash and the same cost as Z Bo.
Well... Kevin O'Neill could also help him improving his defensive game. But they would be stupid if they trade for him without including Jaric AND Buckner and his bad contracts.
As a Blazers fan I can tell you that the notion of a coach being able to coax out a defensive commitment from Z-Bo is less likely than the probability that you'll spontaneously combust in the next 30 seconds. It's not that Z-Bo can't it's that he won't; Nate McMillan, one of the most defensive minded coaches in the league could barely get him to run back and cover a man on defense. I'll give Zach credit, he's a talented scorer and has a nose for collecting boards, but he absolutely kills ball movement, and is only interested in "getting his."
I can't believe Memphis would be seriously interested in this bum, and I find it even more unbelievable that Walsh didn't pull the trigger 2 seconds after this deal was offered.
As a Blazers fan I can tell you that the notion of a coach being able to coax out a defensive commitment from Z-Bo is less likely than the probability that you'll spontaneously combust in the next 30 seconds. It's not that Z-Bo can't it's that he won't; Nate McMillan, one of the most defensive minded coaches in the league could barely get him to run back and cover a man on defense. I'll give Zach credit, he's a talented scorer and has a nose for collecting boards, but he absolutely kills ball movement, and is only interested in "getting his."
I can't believe Memphis would be seriously interested in this bum, and I find it even more unbelievable that Walsh didn't pull the trigger 2 seconds after this deal was offered.
So basically what your saying is that we should give up a 25 year old star because of the fact that he has a stars mentality? I'm not trying to excuse Randolph as a player, person or human being. All I'm saying is that he clearly is a talented individual and has flaws like any other star: thinking they can win games on their own offensively and not giving their best effort defensively. That doesn't mean we should give him up for cents on the dollar and doesn't necessarily make him unsalvagable.
So basically what your saying is that we should give up a 25 year old star because of the fact that he has a stars mentality? I'm not trying to excuse Randolph as a player, person or human being. All I'm saying is that he clearly is a talented individual and has flaws like any other star: thinking they can win games on their own offensively and not giving their best effort defensively. That doesn't mean we should give him up for cents on the dollar and doesn't necessarily make him unsalvagable.
I agree. Where are your heads, he's a 20 & 10 player. OK, he can't pass and doesn't play defense but there are a total of what, 4-5 PFs that do? Why is he any different? You don't trade talent for non-talent. He hasn't even gotten in trouble in NY yet.
I agree. Where are your heads, he's a 20 & 10 player. OK, he can't pass and doesn't play defense but there are a total of what, 4-5 PFs that do? Why is he any different? You don't trade talent for non-talent. He hasn't even gotten in trouble in NY yet.
I probably know more than 4-5 pfs that can pass and play defense, but I only know 1 PF in the NBA that can do this
Buckner is not guaranteed after this season. Jaric and Darko are trash and the same cost as Z Bo.
Darko have one less year in his contract. That's why including Buckner makes sense.
Well... I saw in Hoopshype that Buckner contract is guaranteed until the end of next season, and he still have a PLAYER option in the 10/11 season... http://hoopshype.com/salaries/memphis.htm
And I read (I guess it was in ESPN, but I can't give absolute certainty now) that Buckner have at least 8 millions guaranteed in his contract (with a buyout clause in his last year, in case that he exercises his player option). Correct-me if I'm wrong.
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haha sometimes i'm ashamed to be associated with certain knick fans. just because we have a 20-10 player doesn't mean he is a star. Also, if thats the case, how come many NBA execs are creaming themselves to get his service?
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Darko have one less year in his contract. That's why including Buckner makes sense.
Well... I saw in Hoopshype that Buckner contract is guaranteed until the end of next season, and he still have a PLAYER option in the 10/11 season... http://hoopshype.com/salaries/memphis.htm
And I read (I guess it was in ESPN, but I can't give absolute certainty now) that Buckner have at least 8 millions guaranteed in his contract (with a buyout clause in his last year, in case that he exercises his player option). Correct-me if I'm wrong.
I like Buckner as a role player but certainly not at his price tag. The only way I'd ever consider taking him is if it's in exchange for Jared Jefferies' contract. I think your forgetting the fact that we'd be doing the Grizzlies a favor by giving them a 20-10, 25 year old project (with payments picked up) in exchange for role players as it already is. They stand to sweeten the deal for us and not the other way around.
haha sometimes i'm ashamed to be associated with certain knick fans. just because we have a 20-10 player doesn't mean he is a star. Also, if thats the case, how come many NBA execs are creaming themselves to get his service?
Ok let's see some other examples of bad decisions made by stars on the floor:
Latrell Sprewell chocking his coach....
Rasheed Wallace throwing a basketball hard enough at a teammmate (Ruben Boutmje-Boutmje) to give him a concussion; among all his other episodes with technique fouls on the floor...
Ron Artest being the center piece of a brawl involving players and fans....
Marcus Camby accidently clipping Jeff Van Gundy in the head while attempting to fight Danny Ferry....
Carmelo Anthony punching Mardy Collins and then running away like a little *****....
Would you like me to go on? Some people **** up. Others become recognized as purely being ****-ups. A lot of the guys on that list are plain ol' ****-ups. The difference between some is the fact that they can get over themselves and perform at a high level; sometimes high enough to win a title ala Rasheed Wallace.
Randolph is a ****-up but is one of those guys that can in fact play at a high level. The fact he is a ****-up though, does not necessarily mean that his skill and talent should be discarded because he's a big na-na-na-boo-boo face; it never really happened with those other players, so why him? Put him in the right situation and he could make you a contender. I'm amazed by the fact about how people easily forgot about how he was the main reason why the Blazers were so competitive against the Mavericks the last time they made the playoffs.
P.S., if being one of the best scorers and rebounders in the league at 25 years old doesn't make you a star, then what does? That's kind of a rhetorical question but feel free to answer it.
I like Buckner as a role player but certainly not at his price tag. The only way I'd ever consider taking him is if it's in exchange for Jared Jefferies' contract. I think your forgetting the fact that we'd be doing the Grizzlies a favor by giving them a 20-10, 25 year old project (with payments picked up) in exchange for role players as it already is. They stand to sweeten the deal for us and not the other way around.
And we'd be also doing Knicks a favor by clearing cap space for 2010 (since Darko contract expires after next season). If Zach improve his attitude and at least try on defensive side it can be great for us, but I'm still concerned about it. As for Jeffries contract, it's better to keep Buckner, who is cheaper than Jared.
By the way... Darko would welcome trade to Knicks:
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And we'd be also doing Knicks a favor by clearing cap space for 2010 (since Darko contract expires after next season). If Zach improve his attitude and at least try on defensive side it can be great for us, but I'm still concerned about it. As for Jeffries contract, it's better to keep Buckner, who is cheaper than Jared.
All the Grizzlies would be doing is taking on a fraction of the additional $7.2 million they owe Milicic if they traded for Randolph. That is chump change in the NBA especially when the name your getting in return is already good for at least 20 points and 10 rebounds but is just 25 years old. The Grizzlies, like many other rebuilding teams with money, are not going to get players to sign for them unless they overpay; a quick ticket to making disastrous moves. Trades are really the only viable option for them to add personnel and improve the team aside from draft picks. Trading them a caliber of player as Randolph is more than they'd ever get skill/talent wise in any trade they'd recieve currently on the market, so I do believe we are the ones doing them a favor and not the other way around.
You said it yourself, if "Zach improves his attitude and at least try's on the defensive side it can be great for us." Those are issues that can easily be fixed and have a borderline all-star. The best this trade will ever be for the Knicks is good and even then would never have the potential rewards of having that sort of talent that FITS (which Zach does not with us) in our system. Again, even if Jared Jefferies is included in exchange for Buckner, the Grizzlies win this trade especially considering that Jefferies is still young and has the same length of contract as Buckner.
haha sometimes i'm ashamed to be associated with certain knick fans. just because we have a 20-10 player doesn't mean he is a star. Also, if thats the case, how come many NBA execs are creaming themselves to get his service?
You know how hard a 20 & 10 player is to come by? There are about 6 bigs that avg 20 & 10 consistently, and only about 3 of them play def and pass. You may not want him as the leader of your team, but he'll be a great sidekick to superstar. You just don't give up talent for nothing (Darko & Marko). Seriously all they need to do is trade Curry (who gets outrebounded by 5'7 Gs) and get one of those freelancing active 7' to patrol the paint.....you know, do what Diop does. Then Zach would appear as a better defender
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