Could you possibly inform yourself before you respond to my posts? The Knicks for the past several years have handedly spent more money on their roster than any other team in the league and demonstrated they are willing to bite the bullet on bad contracts. We sent Marbury home, we bought out Larry Brown Jalen Rose and Maurice Taylor, along with Shandon Anderson, etc. If we really wanted Randolph gone, we would do the same or at the very least send him home or away from the team like Marbury.
So explain how your team will suddenly be competitive after that. Basically, you have the money to send guys away, but can't just spend money to make your team relevant.
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Right behind Randolph, we have David Lee who is one of the best rebounders in the league and one of the best at converting the looks he gets on the floor. He easily can log significant minutes with us and still have Wilson Chandler and Danilo Gallarni looking for scrap minutes. We'd be pretty good at the 4 spot in Randolph's absence. So once again, we are both deep enough and wealthy enough for Randolph to take an extended leave from the team.
David Lee's been a bench player his entire time in the NBA, and its anyone's guess if he'll pan out in a full-time starting role. Chandler and Gallinari backing him up is far from 'depth' at the PF spot.
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So please, do yourself a favor and go read a book about something before you decide to continue to make a fool out of yourself.
I commend you for being thick enough to call me and seifer fools while you've embarrassing yourself this whole thread. You're almost on ballscientist's level as far as stupid, dense, and clueless go. Cheers.
You guys are killing me, I'm tired as it is, play by the rules.
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Perhaps Rocky here has had one too many blows to the head.
I don't recall anyone here claiming that Randolph will never be traded. Even horrible players with horrible contracts can get traded for players of similar kind, just look at Larry Hughes and Ben Wallace. The entire debate here is his value. Certain individuals feel that he should be valued as a 20/10 player, while most people feel that he is not nearly worth that much as he does not help any team win ball games. If you have a hard time following the thread, instead of issuing duels online perhaps you should take some time reading the thing over and not make a fool of yourself.
Funny thing but all you and your friend have done is submit opinion based with little reasoning and absolutely no fact. To that extent, you were called out largely because of the lack of class displayed throughout the thread. The bet simply was a way of setting things straight since this conversation really won't have any significance until Zach is moved and can show what he can really do. So, leave alpha alone and continue the topic if you feel like you have any unresolved questions you need help with.
We have these funny things called building blocks, outside of the big 3. You know, like Rondo and Perkins (and quite possibly Bill Walker). So when Pierce, KG, and Allen are no longer effective or just gone, we have guys ready to step in and keep us afloat.
So have fun continuing to look up at us for the forseeable future. Your team will be garbage for the next 5 years at least and probably very mediocre beyond that.
LOL, when either Rondo or Perkins can actually not ride the coattails of 3 stars, then get back to me. At this point, they were nothing more than role players that were in an excellent situation. Neither of them can score or do much of anything outside of playing defense. There's a reason why you guys were one of the top 3 worse teams in the league last season and it wasn't because these guys are "ready to step in and keep (the Celtics) afloat.
And once again, I'll address your ridiculous comments for a 3rd time.
Please do. These are always great...
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1.) Randolph isn't a good defender. So are alot of guys that put up close to 20 and 10. It generally happens often with franchise players around the league. That doesn't mean it diminishes what he does on the court because what he does do is not easily accomplished by one player.
So if someone is a good offensive player yet a bad defensive player, the latter should not be held against them? Do you even know one thing about basketball?
And you're saying that most 20 and 10 guys are ****ty defenders. So out of KG, Tim Duncan, Dwight Howard, Carlos Boozer, Pau Gasol, and Yao Ming, pick out the ****ty defenders please.
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Like any player, he has his flaws but the purpose of having a supporting cast in the first place is to cover one another's flaws. Randolph, particularly covers quite a few flaws by himself so putting a shot-blocker next to him is bargain basement. And yes, your CENTER IS THE LAST LINE OF DEFENSE. Randolph generally doesn't have very many help assignments because he usually has to cover a position that includes some of the best scorers in the league. It's the guy playing next to him in the post, to help him out.
So Randolph is fault-free because he never played with a shot-blocker? Don't you understand that if one of your featured players is as useless on defense as he is, its not a good thing?
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2.) At the rate he converts shots and where he gets them, he should be getting the ball more than his teammates on average. That's generally called being a scorer and wanting to win by playing to your strong suits on the floor. Can his passing improve? Certainly. Does he make poor decisions with the ball sometimes? Definately. Can those things be improved given his age and experience? Most certainly.
In****ingcredible. There's a difference between being a 'scorer' and being a self-absorbed ball-hogging cancer (I said it!!). Randolph refuses to pass the ball. He kills ball movement. He makes poor decisions more than 'sometimes', chief.
You can't make Randolph into a passer at this point in his career. He's been around 8 years, we've seen what he brings to the table. You can't teach an old dog new tricks.
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The Knicks also had no legitimate series of plays run during the course of last season. We also had poor distributors at the guard position that was even accussed by Isiah Thomas of not distributing the ball correctly. That's why we were one of the lowest scoring teams in the league.
So you're blaming the team's lack of distributors for Randolph's selfishness? Classic.
I thought you said reading is fundamental? Go back and see who started calling people "arrogant baffons" and threatened (on the interweb no less) to beat people to a pulp. I don't know about others but I stopped taking that clown seriously after he made his E-thug impression.
By the way, acting like a E-Thug is real classy. It's quite a throwback to the late 90s as I haven't seen one of those for a long long time. Heres a picture just to celebrate his effort.
You okay? Take a moment...breathe...gather yourself...how do you feel? Are you fine? Alright...good thing I don't care so let's proceed. The name calling all started with your buddy and continued to be pretty one-sided throughout the rest of this "debate (and I do use the term loosely)." Alpha just simply pointed out this fact in his post.
LOL, when either Rondo or Perkins can actually not ride the coattails of 3 stars, then get back to me. At this point, they were nothing more than role players that were in an excellent situation. Neither of them can score or do much of anything outside of playing defense. There's a reason why you guys were one of the top 3 worse teams in the league last season and it wasn't because these guys are "ready to step in and keep (the Celtics) afloat.
Actually last season, we won the NBA championship. So once again, you're an idiot.
-UssKittyHawk
Oh BTW their ability to play defense alone puts them far ahead of anything you Knicks fans have to brag about on your excuse for a team.
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Take moment...breathe...gather yourself...how do you feel? Are you fine? Alright...good thing I don't care so let's proceed. The name calling all started with your buddy and continued to be pretty one-sided throughout the rest of this "debate (and I do use the term loosely)." Alpha just simply pointed out this fact in his post.
Well, you don't expect me to watch 2 clowns make an absolute fool of themselves while defending Zach Randolph (A clown in his own rights) and not laugh myself out of breath.
And I'm all for keeping things civil. But your friend there apparently wants to make people eat out of straws because of their opinion. What is more odd is that their opinions are quite similar to those of the general public. In fact, post this in the main forums and you would have a ship full of people ridiculing the 2 of you. Now that I think of it, I feel guilty of hoarding the pleasure all to myself and a few others.
-UssKittyHawk
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Its all about facts huh? That's what I say to you people in reference to Zach Randolph.
You're pissed off because the two of us completely oblierated the two of you, and I think a stranger reading this thread will say that me and seifer's basketball knowledge is about 10 times greater than you or TwinkieFoot.
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Can either side debate peacefully? I can't leave this forum alone for a minute! I'm closing this until I can finish editing the non-sense. Once I open it back up, warning points will be issue for personal attacks, trolling, and baiting. Have a great day.
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They're demanding that you give a first, and Zach, for a defensive center and Jaric. How much value can he have? Clearly not as much as any other 20/10 guy.
All we got for him was Steve Francis and Channing Frye. Your not going to get that much for him. Darko at least is intriguing and provides you guys defense. Also allows David Lee to start
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Wawaweewa. I have to admit I kind of stopped paying attention to everything that was said after "Brandon Roy" and "Prima Donna" were mentioned in the same sentence, because if there's one thing you always hear about Brandon Roy it's that he's a selfish "me first" kind of guy.
Hey if you Knicks fans think Zach is a near all-star and want to keep him, then by all means I hope you get your wish, but I will say this, if Z-Bo is such a stud why is that the year after the Blazers traded him away for essentially a mediocre backup power forward and with Greg Oden out for the entire year, how is that they somehow managed to go from 32 wins with Zach to 41 without him, while simultaneously becoming the 3rd youngest roster in league history? Maybe it was just coincidence, but my theory is that the ball actually started to move around the floor with him gone; in fact it was a regular occurrence to see the ball go through 3-4 people before a shot would be attempted whereas when the ball went into Zach there was only one place it went after that and that was toward the hoop -- no matter how bad the shot or how many defenders were on him, there was almost no chance that the ball would come out to an open man.
However I won't completely denigrate Zach, because he is a talented low post scorer and rebounder, but those pluses don't really outweigh the liabilities he presents on the other end of the court; Zach isn't "worthless", but he certainly isn't worth his current deal; he's easily overpaid by about 5-6 million per year (at least).
But hey, what do I know? The Zach and Eddy show probably just needs a couple more seasons to work out all of the kinks.
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