The year is over and it is time to start breaking out those ideas for what should be done to improve this team over the offseason. Here are my suggestions....
1.) Trade David Lee and the bird-rights to Chris Wilcox to the Washington Wizards for their lottery pick and Etan Thomas. Why make this deal? We need to establish a young core of players that will inevitability make this team contenders. As good as Lee is, he does not have the ability to carry the team and is more a complimentary player than anything else. The Wizards are likely to have a high enough pick where we will be able to get a top 3 pick in the draft. I think they would be more interested in the deal since they are clearly more interested in winning now, having committed to Flip Saunders.
With that pick (assuming it is not the top pick in the draft) I would select Ricky Rubio.
2.) Hope to God we get the no.1 overall pick to select Blake Griffin.
3.) Sign and trade Nate Robinson along with Jared Jefferies and Wilson Chandler to whoever, for the rights to Gerald Henderson and filler.
4.) Using the trade exceptions from making such a deal to bring in Channing Frye. Using part of the MLE to sign Chris Mihm, Damon Jones and Qyntel Woods.
PROJECTED ROSTER Starters
Ricky Rubio...PG
Larry Hughes...SG
Danilo Gallinari...SF
Al Harrington...PF
Chris Mihm...C Rotation Players
Chris Duhon...PG
Gerald Henderson..SG
Qyntel Woods...F
Blake Griffin...PF
Channing Frye...C Bench Fodder
Damon Jones...PG
Quentin Richardson...G/F
Patrick Ewing Jr....F
Etan Thomas...C
Eddy Curry...C
(player to be named)
Obviously this is pure conjecture but I think it is necessary to think of methods "outside the box" to improve this team. I personally am not sold on this 2010 plan and prefer not to waste time hoping for our savior to walk through the Garden doors. A better bet would be us being more proactive in our approach to improving this team via the draft. Although there are not many headline names involved in it this year, there are a few players (some of which I just suggested) that can dramatically change our circumstances in the future. Cutting cost and acquiring players to build a foundation on, should be the way to go. To that end, these trades accomplish that and augment the team with veteran players that alleviate some of the burden the rookies are likely to face.
Last edited by TwinkieFoot : 04-13-2009 at 03:25 AM.
Nice group of players however....the 2009-10 NBA season will be ten times better than this season....with all the FA's going after TOP-PAPER for their future...
The Knicks roster will have to be tough to survive next season....I also see alot of the 2008 draft-class making a name next season.
Lets see what we have to offer this offseason to become a .500 team in the 2009-10 season (41-41).
A MIRACLE....like the JailBlazzers received after their last 33-win season with Zach Randolph....or like the Phoenix Suns received after their last 29-win season with Marbury.
Do Donnie Walsh have friends like the Ainge & Mchale friendship?
Well well well.....another 20 to 30 win season from the NBA's Top-3 big market teams (Knicks).
We started this season with 4 bonafide Starters (Nate, Chandler, Lee, and Zach) and a helluv a guard bench (Marbury, Duhon, Collins, Crawful, Q.Rich, Jefferies, and we were in need of an early trade for a bigman off the bench).
My (Kiya) lineup, rotation, and substitutions, has always been different than that of Dantoni's this season....I agree 100% at bringing Marbury off the bench and DNP Marbury the first 5 games (not the entire season that was personal).
Although, the trade of Crawful was late and should've been done in the offseason it was the brightest and wisest move done by management this season.
We ended this 2008-9 season as a "no-defensive" team inwhich Knick-opositions (even their rookies) will be looking to have their best performance, their best season-highs, or their best career-highs when playing against us Knicks.
We do have an upcomming Star-Player on our roster in Wilson Chandler.
We will lose players Nate & Lee whom 2 years ago energy formed to be one of the toughest hustling tandem off the bench in the NBA.
We do have ending contract players to trade this offseason in:
O.K. their salaries are large....I know, I know, real Fukkking LARGE....salaries only starters are supposed to get.
Well, how high should our Starting-5 lineup receive....over or under $57.5M)?
We also have Curry ($21.7M) 2 year contract
and Jefferies ($13.2) 2 year contract up for grabs too.
I know, I know....these two salaries are supposed to belong to players that are part of a 7-8-Man rotation.
Last but not least we have 2 rookie contracts to make 9-Knick Players under contract before the 2009 draft night.....in Gallo (bust or not) and Wilson Chandler whom the only numbers which are important is what is expected from next season in scoring (15 to 20), rebounds (4 to 7), assist (3 to 5), Steals (1), Blks (2), TO (2), Fouls (4), to average each game. Did Wilson Chandler second season performance show he could produce these numbers in his third season???
You'd want to start ricky rubio, but have blake griffin come off the bench?
I'd do it the other way around, personally.
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"GOT…damn! And I know Rubio saw it at like 4 in the morning and started crying and told them hoes from Ibiza to get the **** outta his room. And he said it in Spanish, too, so he looked like an angry drug dealer in a Michael Mann film. GOOD! How’s that for the league’s image, Stern? You ****ing *******. His name is Brandon…he from Compton…he got rapper friends…and he’s your league’s next superstar. Cry!
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Knicks fans, can you imagine what Jennings is going to do to you? He’s gonna be slicing through that defense like V for Vendetta. Then, after the game, he’s gonna slice through security and find Donnie Walsh and stab him in the damn heart.
I guess Kobe feels like averaging 30 again. At this point, he’s like Keanu at the end of the first Matrix. He became who he was supposed to be and now he’s just gonna do whatever he wants.
Lee and Nate will search for winning teams that will give them a contract that the Knicks 2010 plan will not match.
Lee and Nate already built up a huge fan-base at the NBA Store in the city, adding another city with ours is a wise money-making decision.
Two years ago after a 33-win season we were talking about how deep and strong the depth of our Knick bench was.
Last year we all was talking about what players are Dantoni's type of players.
This year we are disgusted and want to strip the whole team clean....Except for Gallo...
The first round of this playoff could be deadly if their are 2 or more teams getting swept....this could lead to teams opening up the trading-market big-time this offseason.
Teams with no interest in the 2010 FA's will be trading their ending contract players to teams with a 2010 plan.
And teams with 2010 Star FA's (Lebron, Wade, Bosh, Dirk, Joe Johnson, Prince, and Ginobli) will be open minded this offseason to trade for players with ending contracts.
Where does this put our Knicks? in a bad situation from having another losing season with high contract players whom trade value went down even lower than last offseason (no matter their ending contract) b/c of being apart of another losing season team.
That is the price we paid for wanting a 8th draft pick rather than go to the playoffs settling for the 14th or 15th draft pick.
The Knicks making the Postseason would've put a big difference on the outlook of our ending-contract players "Trade-Value"...
LET'S GO KNICKS
Did somebody say Qyntel Woods lol? According to wikipedia(i didn't look too far), he was suspended by the Greek league for marijuana a couple years ago, he now plays in Poland.
If Rubio or Jennings is on board I think the Knicks should take them. If not it might be a better idea to package the pick with either Curry or Jefferies for Salary relief or young talents.
I would also look to trade Galinari. Wilson Chandler seems to have the SF position locked down and theres no way he moves to the 4 stuff where David Lee is. Despite the injuries I think he still has a lot of value since teams are intrigued at his ability and youth.
And call me crazy but I think Eddy Curry is due for a bounce back year next year. He has had a rough year off the court and perhaps it is finally time he turns it around. If he comes to camp relatively in shape you will at least get a serviceable center out of him.
You'd want to start ricky rubio, but have blake griffin come off the bench?
I'd do it the other way around, personally.
That was something of a mental boo-boo. I initially thought it would be better to bring Griffin off of the bench because of his energy and hustle abilities, which could be the spark off the bench that would be missing with Robinson gone. I also thought that Harrington would ***** about coming off the bench. If that really was the case, he wouldn't be difficult to trade with the way he has played and his expiring contract.
Did somebody say Qyntel Woods lol? According to wikipedia(i didn't look too far), he was suspended by the Greek league for marijuana a couple years ago, he now plays in Poland.
If Rubio or Jennings is on board I think the Knicks should take them. If not it might be a better idea to package the pick with either Curry or Jefferies for Salary relief or young talents.
I would also look to trade Galinari. Wilson Chandler seems to have the SF position locked down and theres no way he moves to the 4 stuff where David Lee is. Despite the injuries I think he still has a lot of value since teams are intrigued at his ability and youth.
And call me crazy but I think Eddy Curry is due for a bounce back year next year. He has had a rough year off the court and perhaps it is finally time he turns it around. If he comes to camp relatively in shape you will at least get a serviceable center out of him.
I never said Qyntel Woods was a boyscout. I did happen to suggest that the guy is more than a servicable role layer in this league and might actually be better than Quentin Richardson off the bench.
Under no circumstances would I trade Rubio or Jennings, just for an opportunity to move Eddy Curry/ Jared Jefferies. Draft picks are how you build winning teams in this league.
I'd also consider trading Wilson Chandler before Gallo, although I would give up Gallo in the right deal. Chandler has been unimpressive to me and likely won't be much more than a role player. What we need now aren't role players but foundation players. I think Gallo may be that if healthy but I don't think that will be the case throughout his career.
Hopefully Curry does bounce back so we can trade him. He is not a fit on this team but at the same time is too good to give up for B.S. I personally would be interested in pursing a deal with the Grizzlies to reshuffle our deck a little bit. Curry, Jefferies and Richardson for Milicic, Jaric and Buckner works. The financial commitments are relatively even as well as the talent.
Knicks Trade(to Grizzlies):
Eddy Curry...C
Jared Jefferies...F
Quentin Richardson...F
Knicks Recieve:
Darko Milicic...F/C
Marko Jaric...G/F
Greg Buckner...SG
I think this trade is a lateral move but gives both teams players who better fit what they do at no loss of financial flexibility or talent; the Knicks add more backcourt depth and uptempo players, while the Grizzlies get the kind of low post scorer that can help open up the game for perimeter players like Mayo and Gay.
Knicks Trade (to Nets):
Larry Hughes...SG
Al Harrington...F
Greg Buckner...SG
Nets are looking to cut costs and this move allows them to do so while remaining competitive. They also add better depth, which seemed to be an issue for them at times this season.
Knicks Trade (4-way with Raptors, Bulls and Wizards):
David Lee...F/C (sign and trade)
Nate Robinson...PG (sign and trade)
Wilson Chandler...G/F
Future 1st round draft pick (conditional)
*(Bulls get Antawn Jamison; Wizards get Chris Bosh, Tim Thomas and Kirk Hinrich; Raptors get Knick package)
Knicks Recieve:
Wizards draft pick (use for Ricky Rubio)
Darius Songalia...PG
Etan Thomas...F/C
Chris Bosh is unhappy, and likely will demand a trade. I can't think of a better package the Raptors would want for him than what we would be offering. Not only do they get a fairly good supporting cast but they have the added benefit of having them under contract and don't have to risk losing their players.
I could see the Wizards wanting Bosh because they are interesting in winning now and is an upgrade over Antawn Jamison. They also add Kirk Hinrich who is a HUGE upgrade for their roster since Arenas sucks as a PG but is great as scorer; Hinrich allows Arenas to do what he does and not be a defensive liability.
The Bulls make the deal because they needed an upgrade over the PF position and don't need Hinrich anymore.
I'd pray for the no.1 pick and would get it because this is my pipedream. I'd select Blake Griffin obviously. I'd also buy the Suns lottery pick for $3 million to select Gerald Henderson. I'd sign Channing Frye to half the MLE and Patrick Ewing Jr. to a minimum contract. Raja Bell would be an awesome fit, so Trenton Hassell would be traded for him because I say so. Here's what the roster would look like....
PROJECTED ROSTER
Starters
Ricky Rubio...PG
Raja Bell...SG
Vince Carter...SF
Blake Griffin...PF
Darko Milicic...C Rotation
Chris Duhon...PG
Gerald Henderson...SG
Danilo Gallinari...F
Darius Songalia...F/C
Channing Frye...F/C Bench Fodder
Marko Jaric...G/F
Patrick Ewing Jr....G/F
Etan Thomas...F/C
Al Harrington for Carlos Boozer in a sign-and-trade deal.
David Lee (sign-and-trade) for Tyson Chandler, Julian Wright and the Hornets' 2010 First Round Pick
Draft Ty Lawson
PG: Chris Duhon...Ty Lawson
SG: Wilson Chandler...Larry Hughes
SF: Danilo Gallinari...Julian Wright...Quentin Richardson
PF: Carlos Boozer...Jared Jeffries
C: Tyson Chandler...Eddy Curry
Hughes, Mobley, Richardson and Duhon then all come off the books, so the Knicks have cap space to build around Lawson, Chandler, Gallinari, Boozer and Chandler.
The trick will be unloading Curry and Jeffries.
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The 2010-2011 Los Angeles Lakers
PG: Derek Fisher, Steve Blake
SG: Kobe Bryant, Sasha Vujacic
SF: Ron Artest, Matt Barnes, Luke Walton
PF: Pau Gasol, Lamar Odom
C: Andrew Bynum, Theo Ratliff
I think the Knicks need to concentrate on the draft and acquiring talented young guys. I too am praying for the #2 pick, not because of any reason other than I believe Rubio will be a more influential pro than Griffin. Griffin is crazy athletic and a very fine passer. I don't think he will be the monster on the boards that most do and I have not seen much offense outside of 6 feet. Maybe he has it, but I haven't seen it. His overpowering tactics simply won't net the same results in the NBA. Getting #2 takes the hand wringing out of the decision since Rubio is the consensus #2 if Blake is #1. I do not trade Gallo or Chandler. Chandler can indeed play the 2 and Gallo can play the 3. In a few years Gallo will move to the 4 if necessary. That would give them three potential allstars all of whom could be high allstar level. No matter if we get Rubio or Griffin, we should be able to obtain another first rounder via trade/buy. There is enough depth to secure another starter. Trading other assets should yield the remaining piece. We would have limited depth but we could fill out the roster with low money signees such as PE2. Best part about this is that is doesn't jeopardize the chance to sign at least one major FA should we get the chance. A lot can and should happen this year.
Al Harrington for Carlos Boozer in a sign-and-trade deal.
David Lee (sign-and-trade) for Tyson Chandler, Julian Wright and the Hornets' 2010 First Round Pick
Draft Ty Lawson
PG: Chris Duhon...Ty Lawson
SG: Wilson Chandler...Larry Hughes
SF: Danilo Gallinari...Julian Wright...Quentin Richardson
PF: Carlos Boozer...Jared Jeffries
C: Tyson Chandler...Eddy Curry
Hughes, Mobley, Richardson and Duhon then all come off the books, so the Knicks have cap space to build around Lawson, Chandler, Gallinari, Boozer and Chandler.
The trick will be unloading Curry and Jeffries.
I like the two first moves; very creative thinking. I just don't agree with drafting Ty Lawson considering how high we'll likely be selecting in the draft. If he's all that is available to us then I strongly suggest using Lee as bait to move up.
I think the Knicks need to concentrate on the draft and acquiring talented young guys. I too am praying for the #2 pick, not because of any reason other than I believe Rubio will be a more influential pro than Griffin. Griffin is crazy athletic and a very fine passer. I don't think he will be the monster on the boards that most do and I have not seen much offense outside of 6 feet. Maybe he has it, but I haven't seen it. His overpowering tactics simply won't net the same results in the NBA. Getting #2 takes the hand wringing out of the decision since Rubio is the consensus #2 if Blake is #1. I do not trade Gallo or Chandler. Chandler can indeed play the 2 and Gallo can play the 3. In a few years Gallo will move to the 4 if necessary. That would give them three potential allstars all of whom could be high allstar level. No matter if we get Rubio or Griffin, we should be able to obtain another first rounder via trade/buy. There is enough depth to secure another starter. Trading other assets should yield the remaining piece. We would have limited depth but we could fill out the roster with low money signees such as PE2. Best part about this is that is doesn't jeopardize the chance to sign at least one major FA should we get the chance. A lot can and should happen this year.
I'm unsure about Griffin's offensive ability as a star but what I am fairly high on is his defensive intensity. Although the no.1 overall pick is very high to draft a defensive player, Griffin is unique because he's not an offensive liability; he would add that initimation factor we been missing in the paint. I think both he and Rubio would be an excellent compliment for us and might be a possibility to have both with the Wizards looking to veteran players. I'm thinking something of a John Stockon-Karl Malone part II.
P.S., if we're going to be playing Wilson Chandler at the 2, I think we might as well go get Gerald Henderson who will likely be a better role player.
Last edited by TwinkieFoot : 04-16-2009 at 06:43 PM.
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