You said guys that dominate over there bust here. I said they are probably more successful percentage wise than non euro draftees. The fact that there is such a small number of euros drafted is irrelevant. You said by implication that a high level Euro player is more likely to bust than a player selected from the US system. A foreign player drafted has a better chance of sticking and contributing than a domestic player. The players on the Olympic team were impressed with Rubio. I'll trust them on it.
Once again, cutting it within NBA regulations and style of play is completely different from what he's done abroad because certain skills don't necessarily translate ie being a good defender. If you ask me, Rubio is nothing but potential at this point. I would be pissed if he didn't grow as a player from where he is now, so he should have that workout even under your reasoning.
It's one workout, no one has gotten better at anything after one workout. I'm not saying Rubio's a sure thing but wat's one workout going to do? The floor is yours Mr. TwinkieD'antoni.
It's one workout, no one has gotten better at anything after one workout. I'm not saying Rubio's a sure thing but wat's one workout going to do? The floor is yours Mr. TwinkieD'antoni.
Workouts aren't used to improve players in the draft, there used to analyze what a player can do. There's a lot you can assess in the 2-3 hours your looking at a player, especially if you had specific concerns about certain aspects of his game.
I heard Rubio's father is threatening to keep his son overseas, if he isn't traded to the Knicks or to another team with warmer climate. Let's see how this plays out.
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I heard Rubio's father is threatening to keep his son overseas, if he isn't traded to the Knicks or to another team with warmer climate. Let's see how this plays out.
I heard Rubio's father is threatening to keep his son overseas, if he isn't traded to the Knicks or to another team with warmer climate. Let's see how this plays out.
I do not want Rubio in a Knick uniform before I see him perform with the next NBA team. No hard feelin Rubio fans, but Duhon & Nate held down both guard position last season by themselves. I'm ready to see how well the two do in their second season with some help.
I do not want Rubio in a Knick uniform before I see him perform with the next NBA team. No hard feelin Rubio fans, but Duhon & Nate held down both guard position last season by themselves. I'm ready to see how well the two do in their second season with some help.
I think it all comes down to what we would be offering. If your talking Nate Robinson, Wilson Chandler, cash and filler then that is a deal I make. I don't like the idea of bringing in this guy strictly off of what I saw him do overseas but he does have a lot of potential and is the kind of player I'd gamble on if I ever was in a position to do so. I'd be terribly reluctant if doing so hurt our ambitions for 2010 or cost us draft picks.
Rumor has it they want Lee and Nate for Rubio. I think they are going to be gone anyway, so the Knicks probably won't care, unless they also ask for a another draft pick down the line. Who knows....but what I do know is that he isn't much of a defender, and that's my pet peeve.
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"Everyone is entitled to be stupid, but some abuse the privilege." "Nothing in the world is more dangerous than sincere ignorance and conscientious stupidity."
Where do I sign? Anybody that thinks PG was covered well last year is very confused. Nate is NOT a PG and Duhon has lost the faith of the front office due to rumors of his partying ways. That is not a secret. When you get a chance to get a guy like Rubio, you do. Find a way to trade Hill for Curry and I'm dancin'.
Where do I sign? Anybody that thinks PG was covered well last year is very confused. Nate is NOT a PG and Duhon has lost the faith of the front office due to rumors of his partying ways. That is not a secret. When you get a chance to get a guy like Rubio, you do. Find a way to trade Hill for Curry and I'm dancin'.
I much rather have Curry than Rubio at this point. I've really done a 180 on Curry because of some stuff you and others were mentioning and based on what I saw of him. I'm still skeptical about the two of them working together but it would have to be better than the Rubio/Flynn pairing.
The reason it would work is that Rubio is nearly 6'5 (and still growing)with long arms. He'll get stonger, too, so even if Curry didn't grow another inch(doubtful) Rubio could guard 2's. Rubio needs the ball and Curry doesn't. Curry is also a solid defender. I can't even imagine the fear of the defense with Rubio, Gallo, and Curry on the break. Every guy would have to be accounted for IMMEDIATELY. Personally, I would do everything in my power to get that nucleus. There is no reason to count on LeBron coming here and that is a core that could develop into a contender. We also will likely need a lot of desirable players if we want LeBron. He is the one guy that I don't believe will just walk. He wouldn't do that to Cleveland. It will have to be a sign and trade if he changes addresses. If Milicic is able to double his output, we would only need a PF and still we would have cap room. Young, but very good.
Rubio
Curry
Gallo
?(Hill if still here), Boozer, lot's of possibilities here
Milicic
Rumor has it they want Lee and Nate for Rubio. I think they are going to be gone anyway, so the Knicks probably won't care, unless they also ask for a another draft pick down the line. Who knows....but what I do know is that he isn't much of a defender, and that's my pet peeve.
He is touted as a better defender than Jonny Flynn, Stephen Curry, Brandon Jennings, Jrue Holiday, Ty Lawson, Jeff Teague, Eric Maynor, Darren Collison, and Rodrigue Beaubois by NBADraft.net. The only point guard taken in the first round who they rated as good of a defender as Rubio was Toney Douglas who we drafted. As for DraftExpress.com, they stated that his strengths are his ability to get in passing lanes, his ability to contest shots, his defensive awareness, and his off-ball defense and rank no defensive flaws in the weakness category for him. Where you're getting this "bad defender" non-sense is beyond me, but according to every website that has ranked him he isn't a bad defender at all.
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The reason it would work is that Rubio is nearly 6'5 (and still growing)with long arms. He'll get stonger, too, so even if Curry didn't grow another inch(doubtful) Rubio could guard 2's. Rubio needs the ball and Curry doesn't. Curry is also a solid defender. I can't even imagine the fear of the defense with Rubio, Gallo, and Curry on the break. Every guy would have to be accounted for IMMEDIATELY. Personally, I would do everything in my power to get that nucleus. There is no reason to count on LeBron coming here and that is a core that could develop into a contender. We also will likely need a lot of desirable players if we want LeBron. He is the one guy that I don't believe will just walk. He wouldn't do that to Cleveland. It will have to be a sign and trade if he changes addresses. If Milicic is able to double his output, we would only need a PF and still we would have cap room. Young, but very good.
Rubio
Curry
Gallo
?(Hill if still here), Boozer, lot's of possibilities here
Milicic
I've been under the same impression as well that LeBron will not just walk, which is why I've not been the biggest supporter of mortgaging our assets in a trade for Rubio. Speaking of Rubio, as much as he may grow to 6-5 like you said, that doesn't mean I want him covering my 2's. The guy (although feisty) is weak and would get consistently overpowered most games ala Jamal Crawford who could guard 2's but you didn't really necessarily want him to. The defensive end of this deal is what I've been concerned about and only about. I think both those guys would have an opportunity to be great on the offensive end but your going to need a backcourt that comes up with stops in order to advance deep into the playoffs.
En estos momentos, Ricky Rubio sigue en Nueva York negociando una salida a su futuro. Lo tiene claro: no jugará en Minnesota (dejó señales inequívocas la noche del 'Draft', como cuando le preguntaron por sus preferencias y, mientras loaba a Oklahoma o Sacramento, de Minnesota sólo dijo que hacía "mucho frío") y trabaja para irse. ¿Dónde? Ésa es la cuestión.
Según fuentes cercanas al jugador y a la NBA, Minnesota ya sabía que Ricky no jugaría allí cuando lo eligió. El hecho de haber caído al número cinco facultó a los Wolves para escoger a un jugador con un gran valor en el mercado, con el que hacer un 'sign and trade' (firmar y traspasar) con otro equipo para obtener a un jugador veterano. Con esta opción, el jugador catalán tendrá mucho que decir sobre su futuro.
El escenario ideal, y MARCA.com puede confirmar que se está negociando, es hacer un traspaso a Nueva York. David Lee y Nate Robinson (ambos acaban contrato, pero también estaríamos hablando de una situación de 'sign and trade') parecen las monedas de cambio más probables. Los Wolves se han cubierto las espaldas en el puesto de base con la elección de Jonny Flynn en el seis, así que un 'uno' no es su prioridad. Las declaraciones de su 'general manager' David Kahn, en las que decía que su interés es hacer jugar juntos a Flynn y a Ricky, no son más que estrategias de mercado. No tienen ningún sentido baloncestísticamente hablando.
At this time, Ricky Rubio is still in New York to negotiate a solution to his future. What is clear: do not play in Minnesota (left unmistakable signs of the night 'Draft', as when asked for their preference, and while loaba or Sacramento to Oklahoma, Minnesota had only said that "very cold") and leaving works . Where? That is the question.
According to sources close to the player and the NBA, Minnesota already knew that Ricky does not play there when he was elected. The fact that he had fallen to number five for the Wolves allowed them to choose a player with a high market value, which means a 'sign and trade' (signing and transfer) with another team to get a veteran player. With this option, the Catalan player will have much to say about their future.
The ideal scenario being negotiated, and MARCA.com can confirm, is to transfer to New York. David Lee and Nate Robinson (both just out of contract, but also talking about a situation of 'sign and trade') seem the most likely currency exchange. The Wolves have been covered back at the base with the selection of Jonny Flynn at six, so a 'one' is not their priority. Statements of their 'general manager' David Kahn, in saying that their interest is to play Flynn and Ricky together are nothing more than marketing strategies. That would not be good basketball sense.
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