The Knicks have not given up hope on Ricky Rubio and are still trying to interview the 18-year-old Spanish point guard phenom this week before Thursday's NBA Draft, according to a source. Rubio will be in New York for the draft but hasn't worked out for teams. Rumors are circulating that Rubio could fall because of the complexity of his $6 million buyout and the Kings are no lock to take him at No. 4. Rubio has sued his Spanish club and a court hearing is scheduled for tomorrow. A Spanish source said he would not be surprised if Rubio starts the preseason in Spain. If the Kings pass, Rubio, some people in the league predict, could fall as low as eight to the Knicks, who are trying to trade up for Stephen Curry or the Spaniard.
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I do not believe we should trade up for Rubio any longer. If he's that much of a diva not to workout for teams, how would we even know what we're getting? There have been numerous prospects that when put under fire have not been very good....Brandon Jennings anyone? Would you seriously trade up for Brandon Jennings at this point? So why would we be giving up assets for Rubio, a relatively unknown quantity on this stage of play?
If he's that much of a diva not to workout for teams, how would we even know what we're getting? There have been numerous prospects that when put under fire have not been very good....Brandon Jennings anyone?
I understand your concerns, but that first statement isn't accurate. I recall seeing highlights and game footage from this guy for the past like 5 years. I also recall him playing on national tv about a year ago against a pretty good group of NBA players.
I understand your concerns, but that first statement isn't accurate. I recall seeing highlights and game footage from this guy for the past like 5 years. I also recall him playing on national tv about a year ago against a pretty good group of NBA players.
So your basing his lottery selection off of play in an inferior league for 5 years and 1 game against NBA players that knew nothing of him? That sounds like a recipe for disaster if I ever heard one. I would only consider trading up for him if cash was the only thing we sacrifice in addition to our 8th pick. Our gamble then would not be so extreme under those circumstances.
So your basing his lottery selection off of play in an inferior league for 5 years and 1 game against NBA players that knew nothing of him? That sounds like a recipe for disaster if I ever heard one. I would only consider trading up for him if cash was the only thing we sacrifice in addition to our 8th pick. Our gamble then would not be so extreme under those circumstances.
He was a pro in Spain at 14 years old. How many Americans are professionals at anything sports at 14? Inferior or not that's a hell of an accomplishment for a 14 year old.
He played the US twice in the Olympics last year so it's not like the US team had no idea who he was. He's been hyped as a top level draft pick for 2-3 years now, chances are most of the players knew about him far before the Olympics. I hate to sound like a Rubio stan but the fact your saying it was only one game proves you didn't watch it. Rubio was 17 playing with an injured wrist on the biggest stage for international basketball against the best players in the NBA. Jose Calderon got hurt early on and couldn't play the rest of the way, so Rubio took over the reins for the Spanish national team. He ran the team like a 10 year NBA vet, and when he was off the floor the Spanish team couldn't handle the ball or create anything offensively. He played defense (ripped CP3 and Deron Williams), distributed (credited with 3 assists), and even rebounded (6 rebounds for a PG). His statline was mediocore, but his impact on the game was enormous.
I don't see why trading up for him is so bad. He is never going to put up an incredible statline, but he could be a Steve Nash type in our offense. The thing is Rubio is bigger, and is a huge upgrade on the defensive end over Nash. He doesn't shoot as well as Nash does but his impact on defense cancels that out. He already runs the pick and roll as well as most NBA PG's, and his vision is unmatched. He would be the perfect fit for our offense. I'm not saying we should trade up but I don't see the fault in taking Rubio if we trade up for him.
He was a pro in Spain at 14 years old. How many Americans are professionals at anything sports at 14? Inferior or not that's a hell of an accomplishment for a 14 year old.
I'm not denying the guy is talented. Most of the people that have stuck around this message board know that I was once a big Ricky Rubio supporter. But while playing pro ball at 14 is impressive, it may speak more toward the quality of talent over there. How many 14 year old prospects you currently know of, that wouldn't get the snot knocked out of them playing in the NBA? This was clearly the point I was arriving at.
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He played the US twice in the Olympics last year so it's not like the US team had no idea who he was. He's been hyped as a top level draft pick for 2-3 years now, chances are most of the players knew about him far before the Olympics. I hate to sound like a Rubio stan but the fact your saying it was only one game proves you didn't watch it. Rubio was 17 playing with an injured wrist on the biggest stage for international basketball against the best players in the NBA. Jose Calderon got hurt early on and couldn't play the rest of the way, so Rubio took over the reins for the Spanish national team. He ran the team like a 10 year NBA vet, and when he was off the floor the Spanish team couldn't handle the ball or create anything offensively. He played defense (ripped CP3 and Deron Williams), distributed (credited with 3 assists), and even rebounded (6 rebounds for a PG). His statline was mediocore, but his impact on the game was enormous.
I'm aware the Rubio played the U.S. team twice. I said once earlier because it was in direct response to what TM was saying about when he's actually seen Rubio play. Reread the the thread and you'd understand. As I've said before, I walked away a big fan of Rubio's following the Olympics and the clips I've seen of him on Youtube but WOULD NOT draft him without working him out. That would be assasine because as much as he looked great those two games and during his highlights, our knowledge of how that translates in the NBA is not known. Hell, how many "-ovic's" have dominated their respective leagues abroad only to be reduced to role players and busts here in the U.S.?
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I don't see why trading up for him is so bad. He is never going to put up an incredible statline, but he could be a Steve Nash type in our offense. The thing is Rubio is bigger, and is a huge upgrade on the defensive end over Nash. He doesn't shoot as well as Nash does but his impact on defense cancels that out. He already runs the pick and roll as well as most NBA PG's, and his vision is unmatched. He would be the perfect fit for our offense. I'm not saying we should trade up but I don't see the fault in taking Rubio if we trade up for him.
Trading up for him is bad only under certain circumstances. If we're giving up more assets than the 8th pick, cash and/or a 2nd round pick, then I think it's a big risk we're taking especially with LeBron and company a legitimate possibility for the future. We don't have many trade assets, especially with no pick in 2010, so we need to make them all count in hopes of making our team competitive. The fact of the matter is that I would be reluctant betting the farm for a guy who isn't interested in having teams observe how his game translates in our system because the stakes are too high.
That league is the second best in the world and exceeds the quality of the NCAA. He also played in the Junior league at 14. Did you ever hear of ANY player putting up the game he did against the Russian Jr. team. I'm generalizing but he had a quadruple double a long the lines of 50+ points, 2o+ rebounds, assists in the teens and around a dozen steals. It has been hailed as the greatest single performance by a large margin in the history of European ball.
As to how many guys dominated there and busted here....not many, I think. Dominate is the key word. Talent is talent. Rubio will be one of the most important PGs in the league, not by stats but by how much his team relies on him. The guy cares only about winning, and knows how.
All that aside, I don't know if I give the 5th and 8th for him without losing Curry(Ed). The 5th and 8th could give us Curry and Twill....or Curry and Hill.....or Curry and? Well...you get the idea.
So much for us trading up for Ricky Rubio or Steph Curry. The Wolves recent move has undoubtedly shot those plans to hell. I think they go with Tyreke Evans and Steph Curry personally.
He won't go #1....Memphis will have to skip him or trade him....I don't think OKC picks him (plus they could trade the pick)...Sac has cooled on him (they could trade the pick). Dream scenario shot, but still could move up. #5 wasn't going to get us Rubio anyway. I just wanted 2 top 10 picks. Could have really reloaded.....
I still think Portland will screw this. Rubio on that team would be sick, plus they have the assets to move up. Please, God.....no Jennings.
That league is the second best in the world and exceeds the quality of the NCAA. He also played in the Junior league at 14. Did you ever hear of ANY player putting up the game he did against the Russian Jr. team. I'm generalizing but he had a quadruple double a long the lines of 50+ points, 2o+ rebounds, assists in the teens and around a dozen steals. It has been hailed as the greatest single performance by a large margin in the history of European ball.
As to how many guys dominated there and busted here....not many, I think. Dominate is the key word. Talent is talent. Rubio will be one of the most important PGs in the league, not by stats but by how much his team relies on him. The guy cares only about winning, and knows how.
All that aside, I don't know if I give the 5th and 8th for him without losing Curry(Ed). The 5th and 8th could give us Curry and Twill....or Curry and Hill.....or Curry and? Well...you get the idea.
The Spanish league may be the 2nd best in the world but the fact is that they are still second best and by what I would consider a distant 2nd. I'm unaware of how well he played against Russia but how good are the Russians anyway? There only player that has been shown capable of competing on this level is Andrei Kirilenko. Other guys like Carlos Delfino have been prominent players over there and nothing more than a role player here. I like Rubio and what he may potentially bring to our game but his accomplishments mean very little in the grand scope of things. The Kings are currently souring on him and you have to wonder why? I'm starting to think they are under the same impression as me.
The Kings are currently souring on him and you have to wonder why? I'm starting to think they are under the same impression as me.
What is that? That he isn't worth selecting because he won't go through a workout? If an NBA team needs someone such as Rubio to go through a workout it tells me one of two things. Either the GM/Coach have absolutely no ****ing clue as to whats going on, or their Scouts suck. Plus Individual workouts serve well for two kinds of players freak athletes, and guys with a ton of potential but not a lot of production as of that point in their careers. Rubio is neither. The only way it serves any kind of beneficial information to a team is if he competes against a guy like Flynn, Jennings, or Evans. He has two weaknesses strength (which will come with age), and his jumper. I don't need a workout to tell me that. If he gets stronger and adds a serviceable jumper he is going to be a very good PG.
Dirk, Parker, Ginobli, Batum, and many others have done well here. What leagues do you think they played in? You should check the ratio of players drafted and players that bust. I bet at least 35% of Euros stick. What is it for non Euros?
As far as how good the Russian team was.....when was the lst time you saw a line like that any where? Go ahead and search...I'll wait. I don't care if its HS, thats unreal.
What is that? That he isn't worth selecting because he won't go through a workout? If an NBA team needs someone such as Rubio to go through a workout it tells me one of two things. Either the GM/Coach have absolutely no ****ing clue as to whats going on, or their Scouts suck. Plus Individual workouts serve well for two kinds of players freak athletes, and guys with a ton of potential but not a lot of production as of that point in their careers. Rubio is neither. The only way it serves any kind of beneficial information to a team is if he competes against a guy like Flynn, Jennings, or Evans. He has two weaknesses strength (which will come with age), and his jumper. I don't need a workout to tell me that. If he gets stronger and adds a serviceable jumper he is going to be a very good PG.
Once again, cutting it within NBA regulations and style of play is completely different from what he's done abroad because certain skills don't necessarily translate ie being a good defender. If you ask me, Rubio is nothing but potential at this point. I would be pissed if he didn't grow as a player from where he is now, so he should have that workout even under your reasoning.
Dirk, Parker, Ginobli, Batum, and many others have done well here. What leagues do you think they played in? You should check the ratio of players drafted and players that bust. I bet at least 35% of Euros stick. What is it for non Euros?
As far as how good the Russian team was.....when was the lst time you saw a line like that any where? Go ahead and search...I'll wait. I don't care if its HS, thats unreal.
Batum's a role player with barely a full season underneath his belt so he should have no place on that list. Substitute him with Kirilenko, add Gasol, add Yao and add Nene. Outside of that there are no remaining foreigners that make a significant impact on winning a basketball game. I don't count Duncan or Nash because they played college ball in the states. In either case, that is not an impressive list out of a league of roughly 300 players. All the aforementioned players on that list did happen to have workouts if I recall correctly.
Rubio will only make it out of the top four or five picks if the teams don't believe he will play in the nba this year.If he wins his court case then he likely goes to Memphis or OKC.If he doesn't then he basically ends up playing a year and a half for free because of the size of his buyout.
Only way the Knicks can get him is if everyone else thinks he is stuck in Spain for another year.I can't imagine why he ever signed this contract since he's apparently only making around 200 to 250 thousand on a contract that has a 6 million dollar buyout.That seems like something a retard would agree to.He has the chance to sign a deal that's worth 10 to 15 million over the next three years and instead this stupid buyout is going to either take half that or force him to stay in Spain for what is pocket change by comparison.He should sue whoever convinced him to sign that deal right after he sues his team.
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