Re: Ricky Rubio and Jason Williams (White Chocolate)
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Originally Posted by Da Grinch
rubio has very good defensive instincts and the desire to play defense.
j-will couldn't care less about defense .
rubio has quick hands and slow feet and an opportunistic thief.
williams had quick feet and played passing lanes recklessly often to the detriment of his team.
j-will can shoot but had bad , bad shot selection.
rubio cant shoot really (inconsistent shot , slow release so even as he ages and improves his J it will never be the strength of his game) but takes good shots.
in reality a better comparison is jason kidd for rubio sans rebounding and 20-25 pounds meaning rubio may not have a position defensively whereas kidd physically is a 2 guard , where rubio may be too slow to defend nba pg's and too weak and unathletic to defend nba 2's.
Jwill 4 life!!! Rubio wish's he can be as skilled as Jason once was. Jason's only problem was his shot selection in his early years, but he was a more skilled player than Rubio. Rubio is still young though, so he still has time to develop his game.
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Re: Ricky Rubio and Jason Williams (White Chocolate)
Lol, am I really? Rubio is nice, but i havent seen nothing offensively that can make me put him over pre-injury JWill in terms of skillset(passing,scoring,dribbling). You sound like all the Florida fans on another site who were trying to tell me Nick Calathes abilities were on Jason Williams level. Just stop it. Jason Williams is probably the the most skilled passer i've ever seen in my lifetime. Rubio is nice, but I dont know if he quite has the vision, quickness, or skill to pull off some of the passes i've seen JWill do. Rubio's long arms make him not so much of defensive liability, but that's about it. I dont know much about his IQ or shot selection either, but in terms of vision and skillset to pull off certain passes or a lethal pull-up J, I dont see him on JWill's echelon. He'll have to prove me wrong, before I believe it. I've seen JWill do some amazing things, both in college and professionally. Ask UK fans how they feel.
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I wouldn't say mature, cause imm still a kid @ heart... When I play i'm not worried about what ppl are thinking of my maturity level. I just wanna win. -- JasonDub
Im just focused on the Magic. Tryna get a championship -- JWill
Re: Ricky Rubio and Jason Williams (White Chocolate)
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Originally Posted by Blue Magic
Lol, am I really? Rubio is nice, but i havent seen nothing offensively that can make me put him over pre-injury JWill in terms of skillset(passing,scoring,dribbling). You sound like all the Florida fans on another site who were trying to tell me Nick Calathes abilities were on Jason Williams level. Just stop it. Jason Williams is probably the the most skilled passer i've ever seen in my lifetime. Rubio is nice, but I dont know if he quite has the vision, quickness, or skill to pull off some of the passes i've seen JWill do. Rubio's long arms make him not so much of defensive liability, but that's about it. I dont know much about his IQ or shot selection either, but in terms of vision and skillset to pull off certain passes or a lethal pull-up J, I dont see him on JWill's echelon. He'll have to prove me wrong, before I believe it. I've seen JWill do some amazing things, both in college and professionally. Ask UK fans how they feel.
Rubio has a better bball IQ (by a large margin I might add), he plays better defense, he rebounds better, and he is as good passing the ball as Jason Williams. Williams probably has a better handle, and a better shot but at the same stage Rubio is more skilled than Williams. Williams was one of my favorite players growing up but while he has some skill advantages over Rubio, Rubio's bball IQ and size make up for that. Rubio could be Jason Kidd 2.0 if he hits the weightroom and gets a competent jumper.
Re: Ricky Rubio and Jason Williams (White Chocolate)
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Originally Posted by bball2223
Rubio has a better bball IQ (by a large margin I might add), he plays better defense, he rebounds better, and he is as good passing the ball as Jason Williams. Williams probably has a better handle, and a better shot but at the same stage Rubio is more skilled than Williams. Williams was one of my favorite players growing up but while he has some skill advantages over Rubio, Rubio's bball IQ and size make up for that. Rubio could be Jason Kidd 2.0 if he hits the weightroom and gets a competent jumper.
Jason Kidd has a competent jumper? Could have fooled me.
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Re: Ricky Rubio and Jason Williams (White Chocolate)
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Originally Posted by bball2223
Rubio has a better bball IQ (by a large margin I might add), he plays better defense, he rebounds better, and he is as good passing the ball as Jason Williams. Williams probably has a better handle, and a better shot but at the same stage Rubio is more skilled than Williams. Williams was one of my favorite players growing up but while he has some skill advantages over Rubio, Rubio's bball IQ and size make up for that. Rubio could be Jason Kidd 2.0 if he hits the weightroom and gets a competent jumper.
We'll see. Things are different on the pro-level. I've seen Jason Williams take over games with both his scoring and his passing on both the college and pro level. He pretty much single handed beat a UK team in '98 that went on to win the Nat' Championship. This was Billy D's 2nd year at UF before UF had good talent like Mike Miller, Haslem, D. Harvey, or Ted Dupay. It was amazing and havent really seen another passer like him. I haven't seen much of Rubio, but what I hear is alot of potential. I understand he has good vision and passing, but to compare his passing to JWill I would have to see it for myself before I believe. Calathes has pretty good vision & passing ability, but he's not as precise as Jason. Jason was like a surgeon on the court with some off his passes and could catch fire from 3. The only thing i've seen come close to Jason's skills passing is on old videos of Pistol Pete Marovich. Rubio might be a more technically sound player but I dont know if i'd say he posses more skill, especially if we're talking about as a shooter or passer or even off of the dribble. It's just tough for me to acknoledge this guy has the superior skillset until I see him showcase it to me on the NBA level.
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I wouldn't say mature, cause imm still a kid @ heart... When I play i'm not worried about what ppl are thinking of my maturity level. I just wanna win. -- JasonDub
Im just focused on the Magic. Tryna get a championship -- JWill
Re: Ricky Rubio and Jason Williams (White Chocolate)
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Originally Posted by Blue Magic
We'll see. Things are different on the pro-level. I've seen Jason Williams take over games with both his scoring and his passing on both the college and pro level. He pretty much single handed beat a UK team in '98 that went on to win the Nat' Championship. This was Billy D's 2nd year at UF before UF had good talent like Mike Miller, Haslem, D. Harvey, or Ted Dupay. It was amazing and havent really seen another passer like him. I haven't seen much of Rubio, but what I hear is alot of potential. I understand he has good vision and passing, but to compare his passing to JWill I would have to see it for myself before I believe. Calathes has pretty good vision & passing ability, but he's not as precise as Jason. Jason was like a surgeon on the court with some off his passes and could catch fire from 3. The only thing i've seen come close to Jason's skills passing is on old videos of Pistol Pete Marovich. Rubio might be a more technically sound player but I dont know if i'd say he posses more skill, especially if we're talking about as a shooter or passer or even off of the dribble. It's just tough for me to acknoledge this guy has the superior skillset until I see him showcase it to me on the NBA level.
Can't disagree with that last statement, or anything you posted. Good post!
Re: Ricky Rubio and Jason Williams (White Chocolate)
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Originally Posted by urwhatueati8god
Jason Kidd has a competent jumper? Could have fooled me.
Kidd hits the occasional jumper to keep defenses honest, I didn't mean that he had a good jumper. Rubio needs to be able to hit a few jumpers, or get a floater to keep defenses honest. If he can do that with what he's already capable of running the pick and roll he is going to be an outstanding PG in the league.
"white chocolate"...lol....his best scoring was less than 15ppg, yet he was a dominant scorer? His besh assist season was 8.3, which is nice but not mind boggling. He was a lousy shooter who only hit as high as 44% ONCE. This a ridiculous discussion. He was never more than a decent PG, except for one year. I also love how you say you remember how he tore UK up. You were nine....lol......please...
"white chocolate"...lol....his best scoring was less than 15ppg, yet he was a dominant scorer? His besh assist season was 8.3, which is nice but not mind boggling. He was a lousy shooter who only hit as high as 44% ONCE. This a ridiculous discussion. He was never more than a decent PG, except for one year. I also love how you say you remember how he tore UK up. You were nine....lol......please...
Alright, I know he has traded for bibby, but when he was with the kings he was really special. Casual fans would actually talk about the kings "showtime" style of play. If rubio brings that to the Twolves it was a good pick. If rubio brought that magic to NY I will definatly stop saying he sucks. Until then.........
Re: Ricky Rubio and Jason Williams (White Chocolate)
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"white chocolate"...lol....his best scoring was less than 15ppg, yet he was a dominant scorer? His besh assist season was 8.3, which is nice but not mind boggling. He was a lousy shooter who only hit as high as 44% ONCE. This a ridiculous discussion. He was never more than a decent PG, except for one year. I also love how you say you remember how he tore UK up. You were nine....lol......please...
He was a capable scorer... A dangerous long range shooter who was maybe too erratic at times and would get too caught up in the up-tempo pace. I never said he was the most efficient scorer. He was a primo passer tho who could deliver the ball from any and every angle. Nobody said he was a dominant scorer, but just that until at see enough of Rubio at this level, it's tough for me to acknowledge him as either a more skilled scorer or passer than JWill.
And growing up in Gainesville, Fl how could I not remember JWill tearing up UK?? This was before UF was the program it is today and UK was still a powerhouse back then. So beating them(at Rupp) was a big deal. JWill is a legend, even though he only played @ UF half a season.
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I wouldn't say mature, cause imm still a kid @ heart... When I play i'm not worried about what ppl are thinking of my maturity level. I just wanna win. -- JasonDub
Im just focused on the Magic. Tryna get a championship -- JWill