Dre

A lot of teams are willing to do that, but what is "good value"? They don't even have "good value" at this point except for Wall, a couple young rotation/solid starter players and picks. None of which will either be enough or will be given out. I think you just snuck something in on a whim thinking no one would call you on it except I did

Jace

Again, no. I've been saying they're better off without him since the summer. When it was announced STAT would be out, I said the Knicks would benefit.

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Dre

No what

Jace

You implied everyone countering your "Amare will come back and everything will be awesome" argument is merely a prisoner of the moment.

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Knicks4life

The Wizards give a max contract to a players coming off a MCL tear with or without hindsight that was at best a questionable at best, trade the #5 pick in 2009 Draft(Ricky Rubio) for Randy Foye and Mike Miller, trade Rashard Lewis' expiring contract for Trevor Ariza and Emeka Okafor, and I reaching for calling them dumb.

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BlakeJesus

Amare needs to come in as the PF/C of the bench, otherwise he's got to go.

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Dre

Yeah you are because that's all hindsight

Dre

I've been meaning to make a thread about whether Melo's international PF play (I once called him the best PF in the international game) could make it in the league but after 5 games I guess you all gave me your answer. OK.

Knicks4life

If 95% of the moves an organization makes over past 5 years look bad with hindsight there is a reason and that reason is why they were the first team I thought of.

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Jace

Jesus, dude. The Knicks have been having more success with Melo at PF since before these first 5 games. I'll pass on rhetorically asking if you actually follow the league, but you're giving me doubts. Do you remember the stretch without Amare last year where they played very good ball with Melo logging heavy minutes at the 4? You keep trying to make us into knee-jerkers, but this is a trend that goes back to last year. Further, if you simply stop and think about it in the context of the direction the league has gone in response to rule changes over the last decade and a half, it would start to make sense to you.

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XxIrvingxX

Despite the fact that Amare still has very big faults, I would say wait and let Amare return and have him play the starting position like he usually would, with Carmelo playing SF and Chandler playing C. Let this go for about a week, and see how it goes. Amare is still a great player in my view, I think trading him should not be a consideration for the Knicks (at least not yet it shouldn't).

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Bogg

Considering that his contract carries no insurance and trading for him makes it impossible to amnesty him, I don't think trading him is even an option. It may come down to whether he can exist in the starting lineup or needs to play backup center.

BlakeJesus

I definitely think the answer is for him to play backup PF/C off the bench...I think if you want to see Melo and Amare on the floor together in spot minutes it should be with Steve Novak playing PF between them. Somebody who doesn't clog up the post and also stretches the post defenders creating more space down low.

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Dre

That worked in a stretch and it's working now but if the Knicks really commit to that it's nothing for them to then get banged out by the Pacers or 76ers in the playoffs. Even the Heat can go big for the series or just beat them at their own game because they're not faster then the Heat. Carmelo at the 4 sounds sexy and dynamic but he doesn't want to bang or defend when it gets down to the nitty gritty, and rebounding is key in the playoffs. It works for LeBron because he's built like Ben Wallace anyway.

Also, with Amare playing like he's capable and proper ball movement they're set with that big frontcourt to have a favorable matchup for the Heat, so why become a poor man's version of them, that's my point.

I wouldn't give up on that without seeing how they play with Felton over at least say 15-20 games.

And you may have been saying that forever but you'd also be wrong because like I said how many games have Amare and Melo played together with a real point guard?

hroz

Honestly I think many teams will gamble on Amare despite his contract.

Also does amnesty provision work for players signed by other teams? Because then certain teams might become even more interested.

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