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Old 08-03-2015, 11:23 AM   #16 (permalink)
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Re: Kristaps Porzingis Summer League Evaluation

in Porzingis' prime:

Who is the nba comparison? That is what we need to know.
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Re: Kristaps Porzingis Summer League Evaluation

For now he's going to be Yi Jian Lin.....If he develops to his potential? A little bit of Dirk Nowitzki with a little bit ofAndre Kirilenko in him.
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Re: Kristaps Porzingis Summer League Evaluation

chris bosh with a better jumpshot but less rebounding

kinda thin plus defender due to height, length and pretty good agility

on offense mostly a face up guy with range out past the 3 point line

the combination of his agility , 7'3 height , shooting ability and 38 inch vertical pretty much make his step back jumpshot his go to move in time

I don't believe he'll be a great one on one guy though

a mediocre rebounder.
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Re: Kristaps Porzingis Summer League Evaluation

AK47 is the closest comparison but he is like 6 inches taller, longer and maybe even more athletic. Plus he can shoot.


Very unique prospect that will garner a lot of eyeballs.
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He's shown far more skill and unique size and athletic ability than Skita ever did.

Elaborate on the similarities you see other than the lazy "both are Euro and white."
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Am I the only one who just wishes this guy would've gone to a franchise with a better history of developing young big men? I'm worried that the Knicks are going to squander a lot of talent with him the same way that the Pistons did with Darko, the Clippers did with Olowokandi, and the Bullets did with Pervis Ellison. I thought all of those guys would have been all-star level players with the right infrastructure.
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Am I the only one who just wishes this guy would've gone to a franchise with a better history of developing young big men? I'm worried that the Knicks are going to squander a lot of talent with him the same way that the Pistons did with Darko, the Clippers did with Olowokandi, and the Bullets did with Pervis Ellison. I thought all of those guys would have been all-star level players with the right infrastructure.
Ellison's talent wasn't squandered

injuries derailed him.
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Elaborate on the similarities you see other than the lazy "both are Euro and white."
He's a Knick. Surely that organization will ruin him.
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Ellison's talent wasn't squandered

injuries derailed him.
plus, Kandi was lazy, and Darko ended up as a kickboxer. these guys were never going to make it no matter where they went.
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plus, Kandi was lazy, and Darko ended up as a kickboxer. these guys were never going to make it no matter where they went.
I don't think that's true. Organizational weaknesses derailed each of those guys. Sure, they might not have ever been hall-of-famers, but I think they could all have been quite a bit better than they turned out to be.

Also, the training staff is certainly a potential organizational weakness. Just ask the Suns.
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I don't think that's true. Organizational weaknesses derailed each of those guys. Sure, they might not have ever been hall-of-famers, but I think they could all have been quite a bit better than they turned out to be.

Also, the training staff is certainly a potential organizational weakness. Just ask the Suns.
I remember Kandi from his T-Wolves days, not when he was drafted, so I read this: http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/blog/bal...urn=nba,wp6868. seems accurate from how I remember him.

on Darko, he had every opportunity to succeed. he was drafted onto a successful Pistons team, and though he didn't get much playing time under Larry Brown, he had talented bigs around him he could've learned from, and therefore been able to use what he gleaned in whatever limited minutes he was given. he never did. then, after Brown was gone, full-time, he had the chance. he never did.

my view on players, is that excepting outstanding circumstances, those who want to get there, they will get there. these guys didn't want it, or weren't mentally equipped to go the distance. they did have the physical gifts though, you are right on this.
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Re: Kristaps Porzingis Summer League Evaluation

I don't understand with Darko though...There was almost no immediate expectation put on him and he was allowed to develop slowly. Larry Brown is not the best coach to develop young talent but it was a winning culture and he didn't really have pressure to perform right away.

I would say with Darko it was just a matter of him not loving the game of basketball. He didn't put the work in to continue developing his skill set.

It's crazy to think that he was considered a no brainer at the second pick and no one really second questioned the Pistons for taking him over Melo, Bosh, etc.
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I don't understand with Darko though...There was almost no immediate expectation put on him and he was allowed to develop slowly. Larry Brown is not the best coach to develop young talent but it was a winning culture and he didn't really have pressure to perform right away.

I would say with Darko it was just a matter of him not loving the game of basketball. He didn't put the work in to continue developing his skill set.

It's crazy to think that he was considered a no brainer at the second pick and no one really second questioned the Pistons for taking him over Melo, Bosh, etc.
The Pistons did nothing of note to put Darko in a position to succeed.

Just look at Dirk's situation with the Mavs. He was so frustrated with the way Don Nelson was using him and the way the organization was neglecting his development that he was extremely close to giving up on the NBA and going back to Germany. When Cuban bought the team, improved accommodations, beefed up the training staff, brought in an international consultant, hired Dirk's coach from Germany to come to Dallas with him, and talked Nellie out of his ludicrous Dirk at point-forward idea, Nowitzki's game was allowed to develop on a quicker timeline. Now we have a hall-of-fame talent instead of another what-could-have-been story.

I'm not trying to say Darko was ever going to be as good as we now know Dirk is, but try to look at the whole picture, here. There are 6 or 7 NBA franchises that are just better at developing young talent than the rest of the teams. The Knicks are not one of them right now. Maybe Phil can change that reality. Porzingis' growth will tell us a lot about that.
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Re: Kristaps Porzingis Summer League Evaluation

Porzingis looks to me, like he has the drive internally to succeed. I do think Phil/Fisher will help nurture him along the path toward being a great basketball player, but his overall success won't be environmentally dependent. Some guys just get there. Take Jimmy Butler as the most recent example. How many saw him as a potential all-star coming out of college?
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