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Old 11-21-2003, 05:58 AM   #1 (permalink)
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Time to Trade Vujanic Rights?

Well the season just started and Milos is already starting the I'm not coming BS!!!

http://www.nypost.com/sports/knicks/42954.htm

Seems like Milos is pulling a Sabonis on us!! Maybe he'll come over when he's 35 and on the decline
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Old 11-21-2003, 07:11 AM   #2 (permalink)
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It's called angling for a better contract.

Last year he averaged 25 ppg and the Knicks only offered him part of the mid-level.

He's probably tryiing to get the full mid-level. And also in the process showing that last year was no fluke.

Trading his rights is a bit premature, since the Knicks aren't expected to do anything for awhile anyway. Kukoc didn't come right away. Neither did Ginobili. Neither did Giricek. Neither did a whole bunch of other foreign rookies. But when they all came over, they were READY TO PLAY.

So why would you give up a player that would be good based on his decision to spend an extra year there?

Note that he signed a TWO year contract with that team, and that he can be bought out after the first year. So he still can come this summer depending on how dedicated the Knicks are to him. And if not, then it's two years.

Point being, you're not going to get a better player for him in a trade. We don't need help now. We need help later. So why is it neccessary that he come over now? His team is 8-0. Let him get a championship or two, so he comes to the team from a winning atmosphere.
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Old 11-21-2003, 11:13 AM   #3 (permalink)
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I hope your right on that one, I would like to see him come over but the team is almost begging him and he just seems disinterested. It might be a game by his agent but we won't know until this summer.
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Old 11-21-2003, 01:19 PM   #4 (permalink)
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He needs to come over next season. It could be a strategy to get mroe money by his agent and I hope it is. Vujanic seems to keep stalling, everyone seems to think he's ready but him. If he doesnt commit to coming over next season before draft night, I say we draft a pg and try and get a better pg through a trade or something. Im really getting the feeling that he isnt coming over at all, I could be comepletely wrong but Im starting to think he might be afraid for some reason to come over. We cant keep waiting every sesaon and letting other oppurtunites go by just waiting for vujanic not know if he truely intends on coming over.
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Old 11-21-2003, 02:22 PM   #5 (permalink)
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time to deal

i am sick of this guys attitude....he should be here NOW!!!even Vlade said it,and he plays for Vlade..Give frank williams some PT and trade the rights to Vujanic
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Old 11-21-2003, 03:06 PM   #6 (permalink)
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i am sick of this guys attitude....he should be here NOW!!!even Vlade said it,and he plays for Vlade..
He doesnt play for Vlade. He did so last year while playing in Partizan Belgrad and was the top scorer of Euroleague. This season he plays in Italy for Skipper Bologna. His current team has more better players than previous, so his scoring has declined a bit, but hes still playing great. I think money issue is the most important, if hes getting more in Europe, why should he go to NBA?
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The money thing shouldnt be an excuse, the NBA is the best basketball league, so most true baller cant wait to get in. Also if its all about the money then he should come to the NBA. Sure he could make more in europe now, but if he is a decent player in the nba, when its time for a new contract he'll make out like a bandit, and we all know how much the knicks like to over pay players.
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Old 11-21-2003, 05:51 PM   #8 (permalink)
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Old 11-21-2003, 07:22 PM   #9 (permalink)
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we're anxious to rebuild thats why we cant wait to get vujanic over here now, we already been waiting for two seasons, now its gonna be three, when does it stop? We might as well make it an even four, do you think he'll be ready then? No? Well then he should double that and make it 8 years, by then he should be what the knicks are looking for, an over the hill declining player.
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Old 11-22-2003, 03:35 PM   #10 (permalink)
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He was a second round pick, we wasn't suppose to even get someone that good. We got a diamond in the rough and not before he even comes here, trade him for lesser value. Real smart....
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I dont think we should trade him, but we cant wait forever for him to come over (meaning create a spot for him). Sooner or later and I think sooner we are going to have to get a legitamate pg, but if we keep stalling for Vujanic andn he doesnt come over, then we will miss out on other good oppurtunity.
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I have heard so much about this kid, but I actually have never seen him play. I have heard comparisons to Steve Nash. However, I have heard that he is more of a scorer than a distributor, which is un-Steve Nash-like. Can someone tell me how he plays and what kind of style he can bring to the Knicks squad? Right now, I think the Knicks need a penetrating point guard that can dish.
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I have heard so much about this kid, but I actually have never seen him play. I have heard comparisons to Steve Nash. However, I have heard that he is more of a scorer than a distributor, which is un-Steve Nash-like. Can someone tell me how he plays and what kind of style he can bring to the Knicks squad? Right now, I think the Knicks need a penetrating point guard that can dish.
Well, most comparisons have been to Marko Jaric (mostly as a better version of Jaric) but since I doubt many people here are familiar with Jaric, so I would compare him to...

A cross between Cassell and Ginobilli.
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The money thing shouldnt be an excuse, the NBA is the best basketball league, so most true baller cant wait to get in. Also if its all about the money then he should come to the NBA. Sure he could make more in europe now, but if he is a decent player in the nba, when its time for a new contract he'll make out like a bandit, and we all know how much the knicks like to over pay players.

That's not necessarily true.

Dejan Bodriga is a name people have never heard of, but he is definitely the best player not in the NBA (he plays for Argentina). Bodriga has expressed no interest in coming to the NBA.

Also, politics are a bigger part of the NBA than in Europe.

The Knicks have three PGs right now. Vujanic won't get big money if he's coming off the bench come contract time, ESPECIALLY with the current economy in the NBA. He will always get the money in Europe though.

The amount of money you make in your first year also DICTATES how much you can make in the future. A #1 pick makes more than a #10 pick. Salaries increase by a certain percentage each year. And when a player is due for a contract extension, they can only be given a certain percentage more than what they made in thier contract year.

So making 2 million your first year, or 4 million your first year, makes a very big difference over the course of your career.

The Knicks cannot give Vujanic a typical rookie contract, or they are in danger of losing him, like the Warriors did with Arenas, and like what the Spurs may be facing with Ginobili. The Knicks are not in danger of this happening to Lampe, because they used the mid-level to give

I'm not familiar with bird rights and all that, so maybe someone can look it up.

Regardless, there are plenty of international players that could play in the NBA, and there are plenty of players playing in europe because they are making more there than they would be in the NBA.
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Contract three years or longer and you get their bird rights...
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