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CelticsRule · 10-12-2002, 08:00 PM

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Originally posted by ChiTown4Life!
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That's what makes Antoine Walker special... what other power forward can pull his man out of the paint to guard him from deep beyond the arc, opening up the inside for his slasher teamate Paul Pierce? He has a different playing style than most power forwards, and can drain the three all day. He can also play small forward if need be!

good point nobody is gonna say nowitski isnt a good sf/pf/c because he shoots the three it just makes him more of a threat so the d has to guard him whereever he goes

NugzFan · 10-12-2002, 09:25 PM

No you can't, editted by Petey

c_dog · 10-12-2002, 09:56 PM

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Originally posted by ChiTown4Life!
That's what makes Antoine Walker special... what other power forward can pull his man out of the paint to guard him from deep beyond the arc, opening up the inside for his slasher teamate Paul Pierce? He has a different playing style than most power forwards, and can drain the three all day. He can also play small forward if need be!

Problem is, he doesn't drain the three all day. He gets them once in a while. In case you haven't noticed, his 3P% isn't that great. Dirk, on the other hand, is MUCH better.

TheRifleman · 10-12-2002, 11:14 PM

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Originally posted by c_dog!

Problem is, he doesn't drain the three all day. He gets them once in a while. In case you haven't noticed, his 3P% isn't that great. Dirk, on the other hand, is MUCH better.

That may be true about Dirk shooting a higher percentage, but a three shot at the buzzer is effective. It's not how high of a
percentage you shoot, but "when" you get that clutch shot. Walker has had some big clutch shots. One against the Lakers last year, just to name one.(Yes, Shaq played in that game.)

Also, Dirk has a very LOW assist per game and Walker is light years ahead of Dirk when it comes to passing, imho, as is Kevin Garnett & even CWebb.

peleincubus · 10-12-2002, 11:53 PM

Geez how some things can be ironic sometimes. Antonio got hurt tonight at the end of the game. I think he hyperextended his knee.

For the Knicks sake I hope he is ok. Because without him they could make a run a Lebron James this year.

tenkev · 10-13-2002, 07:14 AM

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Originally posted by TheRifleman!

That may be true about Dirk shooting a higher percentage, but a three shot at the buzzer is effective. It's not how high of a
percentage you shoot, but "when" you get that clutch shot. Walker has had some big clutch shots. One against the Lakers last year, just to name one.

That is preposterous. All the points count the same. If Dirk is shooting a higher percentage that means he is taking less shots, and those shots he's not taking don't just dissappear, other people take them. Say for example one player scores 20 points on 10 shots and one scores 20 points on 15 shots. One third of those extra 5 missed shots are rebounded by the offense, so 3.33 possesions are lost because of the second players extra shots. On average, an NBA team scores 1 point per possession, so that is 3.33 extra points per game that the first player's team is producing over the second player. (Obviously there are other factors, but we are looking just at scoring here).

It looks like Toine gets lots of "clutch" shots as you say just becuase he takes so many. There is no such thing as a "clutch" shot. Throughout the whole game shots are important, and their intinsic value do not fluctuate throughout the game. You can take your clutch shots, and I'll take the player that adds more to his team throughout the WHOLE game.

7thwatch · 10-13-2002, 09:52 AM

McDyess is pretty good . . . but there is no way on earth he is better than Duncan.

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There is no such thing as a "clutch" shot

?!?! Of course there is such a thing as a clutch shot. Hitting the game winner as the buzzer goes off with a defender in your face, for example. This shot is much more difficult than hitting a jumper midway through the second quarter. If you miss the shot during the second quarter, you still have 2+ quarters to catch back up to the other team. If you miss the game winner, you lose, no more chance to catch up. So a "clutch shot" may count for the same # of points as any other shot, but it is much more important.

tenkev · 10-13-2002, 10:13 AM

If you miss the shot in the 2nd quarter with everything else remaining the same, you still lose.

Ryoga · 10-13-2002, 10:22 AM

McDyess is a great player at his best, but not as good as Duncan or Nowitzki.
After those two there are Garnett, Webber and Dice: different players, arguably everyone of the 3 could be the 3rd best.
Then come the others.

P.S.: walker sucks, he's a tweener, makes crappy decisions, takes wild shots, no defence, mediocre rebounding.

7thwatch · 10-13-2002, 11:34 AM

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If you miss the shot in the 2nd quarter with everything else remaining the same, you still lose

true, but in my opinion the chances of everything remaining exactly the same is very slim. The game will be played differently by teams depending on if they are winning or losing. As I said before: The 2nd quarter shot does not have as much pressure on it as one at the end of the game.

Anybody can make shots during the course of the game. What seperates the good players from the great players is their ability to take over the game down the stretch and hit the clutch shots that allow their teams to win.

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