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Which BE7 teams Should A10 Add?

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#1 ·
Which BE7 teams (Providence, St. John’s, Marquette, DePaul, Seton Hall, Villanova and Georgetown) would you add if you were commish of the A10?

I would add 2 or 3 depending on UMass. If UMass agrees to stay for at least 5 years then just 2 teams.

I would probably add St. John's (NYC market) and DePaul (Chicago market). If a third team was added then probably Seton Hall (North Jersey market).

Villanova = no. They thought they were superior then the rest of the Philly Big 5. They built their own on-campus court and nearly destroyed the Big 5 (they stopped the round-ribon style for a period during the Rollie days - and they made the other teams play on their home court - it bothers me that we allowed that - but other teams home games had to be played at the Palestra. We will not forget).

Georgetown = no. I was never a fan of John Thompson Sr. and how he lowered academic standards to new levels to get the players he wanted.

Marquette = Milwaukee... more snow to deal with!

Providence = only if we expanded to 21 or 22.
 
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#4 ·
A couple of posters here might heckle you for this one, but this is not a crazy question. I am surprised that none of the X, Dayton, or SLU posters will even consider the idea of G'town going to the ACC. Would I put money on it? No, but it is not out of the realm of possibility. Would G'town go to the ACC if asked? How long does it take to say yes? G'town loses money every home game it plays at the Verizon Ctr. This new Catholic League is not going to help that. They need to get into a situation where they can try to fill the place up, so money will trump loyalty. G'town will walk away from Providence and Seton Hall in a heart-beat. Playing Duke, UNC, Wake Forest, Virginia sounds like a step up.

Why would the ACC take them? G'town is a prestigious school in a big market, it has a great basketball tradition, and the loss of Maryland opens up the door to the market. There is also precedent with a non-football school with ND. So, plan away for this new BE12 league, just make sure to do it without the blinders on. Georgetown in the ACC does have a ring to it. And yes, if G'town is out, then the balance of power between the A10 and the BE6 changes quickly. Just Google G'town ACC and you will see the reports. And St. John's has been brought up as well. A lot of Syracuse fans can fill up MSG.
 
#6 ·
A couple of posters here might heckle you for this one, but this is not a crazy question. I am surprised that none of the X, Dayton, or SLU posters will even consider the idea of G'town going to the ACC. Would I put money on it? No, but it is not out of the realm of possibility. Would G'town go to the ACC if asked? How long does it take to say yes?

So, plan away for this new BE12 league, just make sure to do it without the blinders on. Georgetown in the ACC does have a ring to it. And yes, if G'town is out, then the balance of power between the A10 and the BE6 changes quickly. Just Google G'town ACC and you will see the reports. And St. John's has been brought up as well. A lot of Syracuse fans can fill up MSG.
Agree 100%. I don't think X needs to jump immediately, particuarly if it appears that there is even a chance Georgetown gets an ACC offer. I think best-case scenario (which won't happen) would be for A-10 to dump Fordham, LaSalle, Rhode Island and St Bona and add Marquette, Nova, Georgetown and St Johns (hell, add all 7 if those 4 won't come without the other 3). If Georgetown bolts within the next few years, A-10 would be able to absorb the hit.

Now that'd be a league. Georgetown, Marquette, Villanova, St Johns, Xavier, Butler, VCU, Dayton, UMass, Richmond, Duquense, St Louis
 
#14 ·
Uh, well, I'd much rather have conference-mates such as Georgetown, Marquette, Villanova and St Johns than Fordham, St Bona, LaSalle and Rhode Island.

If St Bona shouldn't be kicked out, who should? Duquense? No thanks.. I'll take the Pittsburgh market over the Olean market any day.
Well, I didn't try to compare who ought to be kicked out, so I said nothing about Duquesne or the others. And, the Pittsburgh market is a fine market. From your response, I can only surmise that it is the "market" that is your reason for wishing that the Bonnies be exiled. Olean sits in the Buffalo TV market, which sits in the Western NY, which also includes Rochester. If you want to poke holes in that, go ahead, but please don't consider Bonas' market to be limited to Olean.
 
#16 ·
Well, I didn't try to compare who ought to be kicked out, so I said nothing about Duquesne or the others. And, the Pittsburgh market is a fine market. From your response, I can only surmise that it is the "market" that is your reason for wishing that the Bonnies be exiled. Olean sits in the Buffalo TV market, which sits in the Western NY, which also includes Rochester. If you want to poke holes in that, go ahead, but please don't consider Bonas' market to be limited to Olean.
No, it's not just the market.

I'm kind of stunned we are even having this conversation. St Bonaventure has made made 2 NCAA appearances in the past 34 years. St Bonaventure has not won a single NCAA game in 42 years. That's the reason they should join Fordham, La Salle and Rhode Island in getting the boot. There's not much more that needs to be said.
 
#10 ·
"Which BE7 teams Should A10 Add?"



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#17 · (Edited)
Actually, the other option would be to save in travel costs I would take some of the eastern BE7 (St. John's, Providence, Seton Hall plus add Siena) and drop Xavier, Dayton, SLU and Butler and the other 4 BE7 go with them along with Creighton (which is located in Nebraska - thanks Paul, for some reason I thought they were in the South).

Atlantic 14
North
UMass
Rhodey
Providence
St. John
St. Bonas
Seton Hall
Fordham

South
La Salle
St. Joe
Duquesne
GW
Richmond
VCU
Siena


Big East 9
Dayton
Xavier
Butler
Marquette
SLU
DePaul
Villanova
Georgetown
Creighton

Or combine all into the GIGANTIC ATLANTIC 21*

* Assumes UMass and URI leave to join a football conference.
 
#19 ·
Actually, the other option would be to save in travel costs I would take some of the eastern BE7 (St. John's, Providence, Seton Hall plus add Creighton) and drop Xavier, Dayton, SLU and Butler and the other 4 BE7 go with them.

Atlantic 14
North
UMass
Rhodey
Providence
St. John
St. Bonas
Seton Hall
Fordham

South
La Salle
St. Joe
Duquesne
GW
Richmond
VCU
Creighton


Big East 8
Dayton
Xavier
Butler
Marquette
SLU
DePaul
Villanova
Georgetown

Or combine all into the GIGANTIC ATLANTIC 21*

* Assumes UMass leaves to join a football conference.
This has as much chance of happening as me getting a contract to pitch or catch for the Cincinnati Reds. I played both positions reasonably well. But that was 50+ years ago and I wasn't looked at by major league scouts even then!
 
#22 ·
What is delusional about cutting travel and saving money while maintaining rivalries.

And remember there is still only one A10 team with an NCAA title.
 
#34 ·
As I stated on another thread, my preference would be to add 2-4 teams from the BE7 rather than jump to the BE7. This is because (1) the A10 with the additions (or frankly even without the additions) is a better league than the BE7, and (2) I wouldn't be surprised to see some of the better schools in the BE7 bolt from the new league as reallignment continues. The A10 is a great league, even losing Temple, and I don't want the Muskies to leave it. Back to the question...add G'town and Marquette first, and then add St John's and possibly Villanova second. The rest are not worthy of addition to the league. End of story.
 
#36 · (Edited)
I am biased against including Georgetown from having lived in the DC area for over 30 years. But the Hoyas seem to be atop most of the rest of your lists, so let's go ahead and accept them. Now, as a thought experiment, I thought it would be interesting to evaluate who else to take by looking at it from a Georgetown fan's perspective. Who do they pay to see? A poster on the Holy Cross message board provided these re-sale offers from a ticket holder with seats at center court, but in the highest tier of the Verizon Center.

Georgetown.v. Louisville $45.
Georgetown v. Tenn, Pitt, Marquette, St. John's $35.
Georgetown v OOC, Seton Hall, Providence, DePaul, Rutgers, $10.
Georgetown v. Syracuse, call for price.

I then perused Stub Hub. The lowest price on offer for Syracuse was about $83, $29 for Louisville. Pitt was $16, St. John's $13. Everyone else was single digits.

I admit, what I have presented is not the most scientific of samples, but I can only conclude that even Georgetown fans don't want to watch the BE7 play, with the possible exception of the Johnnies.

I wonder how much they'd be willing to pay to see the Flyers?

EDIT: I stand corrected. Those prices offered for center court seats in the 400 tier are from the Georgetown website, not from a reseller.
 
#39 ·
I seriously doubt that Seton Hall, DePaul and Providence went along with the other four schools without an agreement that they would stay together, at least for a period of time. I'm sure they feel its easier to create a strong conference regardless of the number of members, by choosing the schools to invite.

On the other hand whether the A-10 loses two or three teams, their biggest problem and the one preventing them from bringing in the BE 7 are the teams that really haven't made strides in their program either on the court or in the stands. If its Butler, SLU & X who leave, arguably, the A-10 could make a run at Gonzaga, St. Marys Creighton Wichita State Murray State etc. but to entice them, I think some current schools would have to move to different conferences,and thats not apt to happen.
 
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