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Dez Is Gone

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I just had to put an end to the Lengthy Dez Is Coming Back Thread.


from CBSSports.com’s Jeff Goodman:


The former Xavier wing, who was kicked out of school last month following a sexual assault allegation, chose the Terps over Memphis, Oregon and Kentucky.

He made the decision via Twitter this morning.

“The last couple of weeks have been the toughest time in my life for my family and I,” Wells said. “I’ve learned that it is a major responsibility that comes with being a student athlete at all times. I’m thankful that God has blessed me with a second opportunity to continue my education.”

It’s still unclear whether the 6-foot-5 sophomore will receive a waiver to play this season for Mark Turgeon, but sources told CBSSports.com it’s likely he’ll have to sit out this season and have three years left starting in 2013-14.
 
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#7 ·
I think the NCAA needs to make a rule change to deal with the perception, if not the reality that the waiver process is handled willy-nilly. It should in my opinion be simple if you transfer to another school you sit out a year. If a player is transferring because an immediate family member is ill, they can use that transfer year to truly help the family and not playing in games. Certainly, a player who is forced to leave school because of a violation of a Student Code of Conduct or because of alleged criminal activity should not be allowed to transfer and play immediately. The one exception to not granting a waiver would be where a player has transferred to school sat out his year, only to see his 'new' coach leave for another job.In that case the player should be allowed to play immediately at a new school.
 
#8 ·
This is really sickening. In other news, Bona freshman center Matthias Runs, who is academically eligible, can't play this season because he delayed enrollment from HS to college by a year. Wells gets expelled from one D1 school and is good to go immediately. Cute. I wonder if this waiver would have been granted if Wells didn't land at a prominent BCS program...
 
#9 ·
This is really sickening. In other news, Bona freshman center Matthias Runs, who is academically eligible, can't play this season because he delayed enrollment from HS to college by a year. Wells gets expelled from one D1 school and is good to go immediately. Cute. I wonder if this waiver would be granted if Wells didn't land at a prominent BCS program...
AND.. Bill Russell.. LOSES the year of eligibility, true? Meaning we have him for 3 seasons starting next year, not 4. Apparently we didn't grease the right palms. The NCAA is a sham of an organization.
 
#12 ·
i can see both sides of the argument.

According to courts Wells was guilty of nothing. He was expelled from Xavier and not reinstated based on a legal situation that was a non-situation. If handled properly he is still at Xavier and playing. I guess the NCAA ruled on that, he had no choice but to transfer and in this case was guilty of nothing.

VCU has two players who appear to have fallen victim to the NCAA's crackdown on basketball mills, so they aren't my current favorite.

I don't hold Dez at fault or say the NCAA is crazy on this though.
 
#13 ·
i can see both sides of the argument.

According to courts Wells was guilty of nothing. He was expelled from Xavier and not reinstated based on a legal situation that was a non-situation. If handled properly he is still at Xavier and playing. I guess the NCAA ruled on that, he had no choice but to transfer and in this case was guilty of nothing.
Not commenting on whether or not he should be eligible, but the above perception needs to die a gory death. The situation was NOT mishandled. He was expelled because of a violation of the student code of conduct--not because he broke a law. He violated Xavier's code. It was reviewed, the board determined he STILL broke the code. The expulsion was upheld. Apparently, he didn't commit an illegal act, therefore he wasn't prosecuted. But he was GUILTY of breaking Xavier's code (by his own testimony, BTW, he violated the code).

They are not contradictory situations. The code of conduct at Xavier (and all schools) differs in ways from the code of law. I do not get why this is so hard to understand.
 
#15 ·
That is one take. I don't know how they couldn't "believe" Xavier, as it was Dez's own testimony which helped to condemn him. Regardless, I wouldn't pretend to "know" what the NCAA thinks, as their decisions seem to be issued with no regard to precedent. They Nor do they seem to be consistent. You may "understand" them, but given the recent decisions they've made regarding X, there seems to be no particular rhyme or reason to them.
 
#16 ·
I agree that the transfer waiver is too lax. I agree with College Hoops, you transfer you sit a year. Deal with it. Now, the rule is 75% of transfers come up with some extenuating circumstance and the NCAA gives in. It's only shocking when they actually deny someone.
 
#17 ·
The problem is, Dez isn't a transfer in the normal sense. That implies that a kid decides to leave one school and go play at another. In order to keep people from jumping around, sit a year. Some conferences even have 2 year rules.

Again if you violate an "NCAA" rule, they may hammer you.
But that doesn't really apply here. The school expelled him. Whatever he did wasn't a violation of NCAA rules. Maybe they couldn't even legally keep him from playing if was pushed? Who knows.

But critical to Dez playing for Maryland this year was that in the waiver review, Xavier did not attempt to block it at all when asked about it by the NCAA. (They may have even said let him play, he's paid his price for breaking our rule) Whether they did that or not, they didn't try to stop it.

Breaking student conduct rules has its own set of consequences (like Dez, the kid at BYU, or Kavanaugh). Not sure they are the same as the bazillion NCAA rules that no one can ever follow.
 
#21 ·
I think any kid who gets kicked out of one school should be immediately eligible at another school if his academics are in order. I don't even care if legal issues are involved. Leave it to the new school to figure out how to deal with the PR headache of letting a kid play who is involved with a legal case.

I simply see no reason why a kid that a school does not want anymore should have to sit out. I suppose there is a risk that some kids will try to get kicked out of a school on purpose, but I really doubt such a tactic would become widespread.
 
#26 ·
I guess if you are a state school that doesn't have a morals clause then you can take kids who have behaved badly. The Catholic and other private schools don't have that option.
 
#22 ·
Hey, if they get 5 fouls in a game, maybe they should be allowed to stay in the game, no rules. WH, so would you allow a kid that just wants to transfer to be allowed to suit up the next year, why penalize (?) him for doing nothing wrong, other than perhaps seeking a better opportunity and less time sitting on the bench.
You transfer, you sit out, seemed to work for a long, long time before. Today's culture is a totally different mentality, heck some don't even want to be there to begin with. The ncaa is a joke and the colleges are not too far behind.
 
#23 ·
I think the NCAA got this one right. Xavier is telling him he can't play. He didn't choose to leave to better his situation. He is not accused of any criminal action. He is in good academic standing. He should be able to transfer immediately.
 
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