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**Dissonance** · 01-18-2013, 02:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Nimreitz

Really? It seems like every year there's a guard who is the "next Steve Hutchinson" and they never are. As far as I'm concerned, guards should go back to being relegated to MLB status where they basically don't get looked at in the first round at all unless they are really really special.

These mocks are really interesting in the sense that none of the top guys really stood out that much to me as a casual fan. Werner had a great year, but physically he seems a little small for that role in the NFL. Kiki Mingo wasn't really great this year either.

Then guys who just seem like uber studs like Margus Hunt are at the tail end of the first. I guess the kid lacked consistency, but the potential is just off the charts in him.

Everywhere I look, come across are rave reviews about Warmack - and mostly from personnel or scouts on twitter. Not so much the draftniks. Though they are too. Both have him higher in mocks too. Obviously, it's early, but weakness at the top may push talent over value.

Yeah, I noticed that too. Some put up stats but they never blew you away, save except for Jarvis. I did notice Moore a lot watching A&M, he played that Von Miller role more this yr. Star's a DT, more than a clogger but no wow plays and no one watches Utah. Mingo flashed he and there. I keep seeing that he played better on tape than his stats would indicate. But he's weird. Could go top 10-20 in ranges. Geno started off great but tailed off.

I don't know about small, but his look is weird. Lanky arms but think core. keep hearing Chris Long comparisions with Werner. I never saw much of Hunt but like I said, it's still early, he may work himself out of GB's range

or just move up.

**Prince** · 01-18-2013, 02:49 PM

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Originally Posted by ATLien

You know he isn't a mobile QB right

And then there's this:

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It has been presumed that new Eagles coach Chip Kelly will be using an offense in Philly that relies upon a mobile quarterback.

That’s presumption may have been premature.

As explained by Reuben Frank of CSNPhilly.com, Kelly said his system isn’t predicated on a quarterback who can run.

“[There’s] perception vs. reality,” Kelly said. “My quarterback last year [at Oregon], Darren Thomas, who is up in the CFL, we played in 14 games, he ran for 200 yards. Everybody is like, ‘Well, you run a running offense.’ Well, look at the statistics, it’s not that. We don’t run designed quarterback runs or we’re snapping the ball to him and then running quarterback power. . . .

“I’ve never been that way. We’ve run zone-read concepts, man-read concepts, where it’s a mathematical game. If there is an extra defender in the box, your quarterback can read him and by controlling him and reading him he is basically blocking him.”

Kelly explained that his approach is to make the most of the guys on the roster.

“It’s about what tools do we have in our toolbox and what tools can we use based on the players that we have,” Kelly said. “I think what Jim Harbaugh has done in San Francisco and Pete Carroll did in Seattle is that they identified the strengths they had in Colin Kaepernick and Russell Wilson, and they played to them.”

Kelly is right. Good coaches devise plays and game plans aimed at maximizing the strengths and minimizing the weaknesses of their players. Bad coaches jam the square peg of their roster into the round hole of their beloved “system.”

Of course, an important aspect of this approach is the composition of the roster. Specifically, which quarterbacks the Eagles will keep and which ones they’ll add. If Kelly acquires a mobile quarterback, there will be more running. If he keeps a drop-back quarterback like Nick Foles, there won’t be.

And Foles could be the answer, at least for now.

“He’s tough,” Kelly said of Foles. “I think a lot of people don’t understand how hard it is and what toughness means to the quarterback spot. To just be able to stand in the pocket and throw the football [is tough]. We hit him as many times as we could hit him [when Oregon faces Foles at Arizona] and he just kept getting up and making plays.

“He completed a 13-yard pass left handed against us once and I remember just standing on the sideline shaking my head [saying], ‘What do we have to do to stop him?’ He’s a competitor, he’s accurate, so I’m excited about that.”

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com...rback/related/

hobojoe · 01-18-2013, 07:47 PM

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Originally Posted by RollWithEm

Mel Kiper's Mock is in. Here are his top 10.

He seems to agree with me about Milliner being a top 5 pick.

Pretty incredible that Menelik Watson has himself in a position to potentially be selected in the first round of the NFL draft.

Mel's take:

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Analysis: Who? Well, suffice to say, after just one year at Florida State, scouts know all about Watson, and people in NFL front offices are starting to catch up. This is a kid who has played basketball at the D-I level, can really use his hands to swat away rushers given a track record as an emerging boxing talent, and will go to the combine and run in the 4.8 range at around 320 pounds. The Colts have their QB, but while some might assume it's time to address defense, Andrew Luck was hit more than any QB in the NFL this season, and Indy must protect the future of the franchise. Watson's ceiling is deserving of this draft range.

FSH · 01-22-2013, 05:52 PM

First word out of Senior bowl practice Nassib and Landry raising and Wilson falling

There is even some predicting that Andy Reid takes Ryan Nassib #1 Crazy how far that guy has come the last 2 years

Nimreitz · 01-22-2013, 06:26 PM

People need to put that Minnesota tape on before they draft Nassib. That was a gimme and Nassib dropped a deuce right at midfield.

FSH · 01-22-2013, 07:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Nimreitz

People need to put that Minnesota tape on before they draft Nassib. That was a gimme and Nassib dropped a deuce right at midfield.

You just had to brign up that Minnesota game didnt you!?

Dick

Nimreitz · 01-22-2013, 07:39 PM

I picked him up and started him in fantasy that week.

FSH · 01-23-2013, 02:40 PM

Man ever since the reports of Nassib working his way into the top tier of QB on day one the day 2 and day 3 reports have been all over the place. Someone saying he had a terrible day 2/3 and some say he had a great day 3...

**E.H. Munro** · 01-23-2013, 03:24 PM

I have to ask, is LT really important for a team without a QB?

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FSH I want Waffles. Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Syracuse,NY Posts: 14,005 Rep Power: 4891287	Re: Dissonance's 2013 Mock V1 First word out of Senior bowl practice Nassib and Landry raising and Wilson falling There is even some predicting that Andy Reid takes Ryan Nassib #1 Crazy how far that guy has come the last 2 years __________________

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Nimreitz Legend Join Date: May 2003 Location: Milwaukee, WI Age: 29 Posts: 16,247 Rep Power: 14813408	Re: Dissonance's 2013 Mock V1 People need to put that Minnesota tape on before they draft Nassib. That was a gimme and Nassib dropped a deuce right at midfield.

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Nimreitz Legend Join Date: May 2003 Location: Milwaukee, WI Age: 29 Posts: 16,247 Rep Power: 14813408	Re: Dissonance's 2013 Mock V1 I picked him up and started him in fantasy that week.

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FSH I want Waffles. Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Syracuse,NY Posts: 14,005 Rep Power: 4891287	Re: Dissonance's 2013 Mock V1 Man ever since the reports of Nassib working his way into the top tier of QB on day one the day 2 and day 3 reports have been all over the place. Someone saying he had a terrible day 2/3 and some say he had a great day 3... __________________

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E.H. Munro Baddest Honky Mofo Alive Join Date: Jun 2004 Posts: 24,482 Rep Power: 21474869	Re: Dissonance's 2013 Mock V1 I have to ask, is LT really important for a team without a QB? __________________ If everyone loves you you're doing it wrong. "Opium is the religion of the masses." Fred Reed The Power of 99 Press "He thinks it's going to be fun being governor. It's only fun being governor of New York if you have money to spend, and I spent it all." Nelson Rockefeller on his successor, Hugh Carey.

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