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Babir · 05-06-2005, 09:12 PM

hobojoe, I am not a big supporter of "small" lineups... So if we trade for Miller and Nene, Andre should be the starting PG with Nelson coming of the bench. Of course during the game they can share the backcourt at the same time...

What do you think about possibilities to get R.Allen or M. Redd?

Captain Obvious · 05-06-2005, 09:25 PM

The Nuggets offered Miller, Lenard, and Skita for Francis earlier. The Nuggets had a great finish but unfortunately drew SA in the first, so I don't think they'd be looking to make a big move.

I say focus on the guys that are actually attainable via trade (Magloire, Maggette, etc.) or free agency (Jaric, Simmons, Kwame, etc.)

hobojoe · 05-07-2005, 07:28 AM

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Originally Posted by Babir

hobojoe, I am not a big supporter of "small" lineups... So if we trade for Miller and Nene, Andre should be the starting PG with Nelson coming of the bench. Of course during the game they can share the backcourt at the same time...

What do you think about possibilities to get R.Allen or M. Redd?

Even Charles Barkley said during halftime of the Nuggets vs. Spurs games that Denver needs to get a PG because he feels Andre Miller is more suited to play SG. I do too, Miller has the size to play SG in my opinion. Also, I like the instant offense Hedo provides off the bench. You also need to take into account how good Nelson was as a starter towards the end of the season -- I don't really want to move him back to the bench.

Neither Allen nor Redd are possibilities to sign outright, but a sign and trade is always possible.

WhoRocks · 05-11-2005, 06:42 AM

Joining this thread late, but some good ideas have already been thrown around, i liked the original clips idea.

I also believe Francis' trade value must be pretty low and only teams in a certain situation would trade for him. I don't think a rebuilding team would take him as most people know he's not good enough to lead a team to the playoffs without being surrounded by pretty good players, whilst his domination of the ball could hinder developing players whom they won't give up to the Magic anyway. Incidentally he's not a big enough draw either to put people in the stands.

A team that takes Francis must be able to accomodate a shoot-first guard and not require a pure point in their system. With Weisbrod at the helm, this is almost a certainty not to take place, but it got me thinking would Indiana take Francis purely to get rid of Artest? We need to find a trade partner who are actively seeking a trade, whether to clear cap room or push them over the top and whilst Indiana may not be doing either, Artest is an exceptional circumstance.

Jermaine O'Neal can play inside and out, and would be the predominant player Francis would have to feed so Francis should be able to get him the ball in scoring positions pretty frequently. Artest would give us a tough wing to play alongside Grant and basically do what Christie was supposed to do but score more. I know the salaries don't match so they'd have to give us maybe a back up PG and some garbage as well.

This might be the most far-fetched trade suggested due to the personalities involved, but the noise coming out of Orlando will make me very surprised if Francis isnt in Orlando opening day anyway.

Jwill55gRizZ · 05-17-2005, 12:12 PM

I Have two trades that i really like..

1) Steve Francis + 11 for #2 + P.J Brown

Select Marvin Williams and the Magic have a great future, Marv,Dwight, and Nelson.. Sweeeeeeeet!

or

2) Steve Francis for Ron Artest

The Pacers have shown they can play w/o Artest, and it'd be a trade of "disgruntled stars".. The Magic could really use a SF of the future to Defend the best players on the court, while chipping in scoring 18 or so.. good trade for both teams

3) Steve Francis + DeShawn Stevenson for Josh Howard + Marquies Daniels

The Magic get two young players that would fit well at the 2/3 for the future..

breakdown each trade and tell me your thoughts

hobojoe · 05-17-2005, 02:26 PM

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Originally Posted by Jwill55gRizZ

1) Steve Francis + 11 for #2 + P.J Brown
2) Steve Francis for Ron Artest

I'd love either of those trades. Artest would be great for our team, assuming of course that he controls himself.

The Chach · 05-17-2005, 02:57 PM

Artest would be a good fit, but it wont happen with him back next year, the pacers will be one of the heavy weight favorites to win the east

Tmac=PlainSick · 05-17-2005, 03:16 PM

Why don't yall consider this one:

Dallas Trades: Jason Terry, Jerry Stackhouse
Dallas Gets: Steve Francis, Deshawn Stevenson,2nd round pick

Orlando Trades: Steve Francis,Deshawn Stevenson,2nd round pick
Orlando Gets: Jason Terry,Jerry Stackhouse

hobojoe · 05-17-2005, 03:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Tmac=PlainSick

Why don't yall consider this one:

Dallas Trades: Jason Terry, Jerry Stackhouse
Dallas Gets: Steve Francis, Deshawn Stevenson,2nd round pick

Orlando Trades: Steve Francis,Deshawn Stevenson,2nd round pick
Orlando Gets: Jason Terry,Jerry Stackhouse

I like getting Terry, he's really shown a lot this year with the Mavs -- but I hate getting Stackhouse. He's a one-dimensional player who is horrible defensively, has been known to be a cancer on several teams, is past his prime, and needs the ball in his hands to be effective (which we all know is not good, i.e. Steve Francis). If Orlando and Dallas could get a deal to work with Terry and without Stackhouse, I'd be all for it.

Captain Obvious · 05-18-2005, 04:49 PM

What did you guys think of the fake Lakers trade? It was Francis for Butler, Atkins, Cook, Divac, and their first.

Let's say we package the 10 and 11 for the 5 and take Gerald Green. Divac retires or is bought out, leaving us with this:

Nelson, Atkins
Butler, Stevenson, Green
Hill, Turkoglu
Howard, Cook
Cato, Battie, Kasun

Doesn't help much in the way of defense although Butler is decent, but we fill some holes and gain a lot of shooting that we lost in the Mobley deal. Even though the proposal was fake I think it's a fair and realistic deal.

hobojoe · 05-18-2005, 05:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Captain Obvious

What did you guys think of the fake Lakers trade? It was Francis for Butler, Atkins, Cook, Divac, and their first.

Let's say we package the 10 and 11 for the 5 and take Gerald Green. Divac retires or is bought out, leaving us with this:

Nelson, Atkins
Butler, Stevenson, Green
Hill, Turkoglu
Howard, Cook
Cato, Battie, Kasun

Doesn't help much in the way of defense although Butler is decent, but we fill some holes and gain a lot of shooting that we lost in the Mobley deal. Even though the proposal was fake I think it's a fair and realistic deal.

I'd do that trade in a second. Atkins is a good shooter, and a pretty good backup PG for Jameer. Butler is a very talented young player who can play good defense, and who really came on towards the end of last season. I like getting Brian Cook too, he could be very valuable in games where Turkoglu isn't on or we need someone to come in and knock down some 3's or just to stretch the defense. Giving us their 1st round pick makes this trade a homerun in my opinion, we would then have two lottery picks to work with as well as the talent we get in this trade -- seems almost too good to be true.

The Lakers would be insane to do it though, Francis, Kobe and Odom all on the same team? That's hilarious. That would work for about one day of training camp before there were problems over how many shots everyone gets and who controls the ball for the majority of the time.

**MacDanny 6** · 05-19-2005, 11:40 AM

That's a terrible trade. A few months ago Steve Francis was considered an All-Star snub, now you want to trade him for Caron Butler and other crappy Laker players? You guys hate on Francis too much, he hit a lot of clutch shots for us this year and he's way better than any point guard we've had in recent years. Jameer Nelson as a starter had good numbers but did you guys check out the Magic's record with him as a starter? I don't know it off the top of my head but I know it was very bad.

hobojoe · 05-19-2005, 02:25 PM

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Originally Posted by Franco 5

That's a terrible trade. A few months ago Steve Francis was considered an All-Star snub, now you want to trade him for Caron Butler and other crappy Laker players? You guys hate on Francis too much, he hit a lot of clutch shots for us this year and he's way better than any point guard we've had in recent years. Jameer Nelson as a starter had good numbers but did you guys check out the Magic's record with him as a starter? I don't know it off the top of my head but I know it was very bad.

You can't possibly blame the Magic's poor record on Jameer. You can blame it on Weisbrod trading away Mobley, or Cato quitting on the team, or Francis playing inconsistently, or bad coaching -- but not on Jameer.

**MacDanny 6** · 05-19-2005, 05:55 PM

inconsistent? He averaged 21 ppg, 6 rpg, 7 asp. If that's inconsistent, I don't even wanna know what he would average if he was consistent.

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