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Captain Obvious · 04-02-2005, 07:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Rollydog

Krstic is a better rebounder than Curry. Look at his numbers as a starter 6 rpg.

He's averaging 14 ppg (pretty good for a center) since the all-star break so its not like this game was a fluke.

I know perfectly well what he's doing. Curry's getting 5 and a half boards this year and he got over 6 last year. For a guy getting 11 ppg and 6 rpg as a starter yes, 28 pts and 11 reb is a fluke. I'm not saying he sucks because he doesn't, he'll be a pretty good center. But he's not in Howard's league. He's 2 and a half years older and Howard's already significantly better.

hobojoe · 04-02-2005, 08:08 PM

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Nets fans are blaming the refs for the loss

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That's insane. Krstic got away with so much flopping it's not even funny. Lawrence Frank got ejected then let back in the game, got his tech taken away and a point taken away from the Magic. Give me a freakin break, how you say the refs blew the game for the Nets is beyond me.

Rollydog · 04-02-2005, 08:12 PM

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I know perfectly well what he's doing. Curry's getting 5 and a half boards this year and he got over 6 last year. For a guy getting 11 ppg and 6 rpg as a starter yes, 28 pts and 11 reb is a fluke. I'm not saying he sucks because he doesn't, he'll be a pretty good center. But he's not in Howard's league. He's 2 and a half years older and Howard's already significantly better.

I won't say that Howard will not be the superior player in the future, because he easily will- but right now you can make the case that Nenad is the better player, just because of the extra experience and refinement he brings to the table.

His rebounding is mostly inconsistent, some games he is agressive on the boards (had 15 rebounds against Bobcats last game). Post all-star he's averaging 14 ppg so a 28 point game is not a fluke. But this hasn't even been close to his best offensive performance. If the Magic played defense he wouldn't have gotten more than 20.

Rollydog · 04-02-2005, 08:14 PM

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That's insane. Krstic got away with so much flopping it's not even funny. Lawrence Frank got ejected then let back in the game, got his tech taken away and a point taken away from the Magic. Give me a freakin break, how you say the refs blew the game for the Nets is beyond me.

When Krstic went down you could HEAR the thud. If he went down hard. If you're flopping, you make sure you don't get hurt, and he could have on that play.

You can't blame the refs for the loss though, its part of the game. Calls come and go just as players get hot and cold.

hobojoe · 04-02-2005, 08:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Rollydog

When Krstic went down you could HEAR the thud. If he went down hard. If you're flopping, you make sure you don't get hurt, and he could have on that play.

You can't blame the refs for the loss though, its part of the game. Calls come and go just as players get hot and cold.

I wasn't referring to that call, I was mostly referring to the next foul where Nenad flopped when he got caught on the baseline with nowhere to go and the shotclock running down. That, and the play you mentioned certainly was not a flagrant. Krstic and Augmon got locked up and it ended up with both of them on the ground. Foul on Augmon, fine. Flagrant? Hell no. A flagrant is based on the intent, not the result of the play. A loud thud doesn't mean anything. It was blatantly obvious that it was not a flagrant foul.

Rollydog · 04-02-2005, 08:33 PM

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Originally Posted by hobojoe

I wasn't referring to that call, I was mostly referring to the next foul where Nenad flopped when he got caught on the baseline with nowhere to go and the shotclock running down. That, and the play you mentioned certainly was not a flagrant. Krstic and Augmon got locked up and it ended up with both of them on the ground. Foul on Augmon, fine. Flagrant? Hell no. A flagrant is based on the intent, not the result of the play. A loud thud doesn't mean anything. It was blatantly obvious that it was not a flagrant foul.

You could clearly see that Garrity pushed him as the two were going for the ball.

I agree that it was not a flagrant, I just thought you were saying that Nenad flopped on that play.

One questionable call on the Nets side was Francis going towards the basket with less than a minute left and Krstic getting called for a foul when he clearly did not touch him. But again, I'm not blaming the refs. Its about 50/50 on whether or not you're going to get calls, and usually law of averages means that a team gets its fair share over the course of a season.

hobojoe · 04-02-2005, 08:37 PM

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You could clearly see that Garrity pushed him as the two were going for the ball.

I agree that it was not a flagrant, I just thought you were saying that Nenad flopped on that play.

One questionable call on the Nets side was Francis going towards the basket with less than a minute left and Krstic getting called for a foul when he clearly did not touch him. But again, I'm not blaming the refs. Its about 50/50 on whether or not you're going to get calls, and usually law of averages means that a team gets its fair share over the course of a season.

Fair enough, I wasn't saying Krstic flopped on that "flagrant".

On the Francis play you're referring to, I'd say it was a borderline foul. Krstic got him across the arm as he went up for the shot. Like it or not, Steve Francis is going to get that call over a rookie 99% of the time.

BallBiologist · 04-02-2005, 08:38 PM

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I won't say that Howard will not be the superior player in the future, because he easily will- but right now you can make the case that Nenad is the better player, just because of the extra experience and refinement he brings to the table.

His rebounding is mostly inconsistent, some games he is agressive on the boards (had 15 rebounds against Bobcats last game). Post all-star he's averaging 14 ppg so a 28 point game is not a fluke. But this hasn't even been close to his best offensive performance. If the Magic played defense he wouldn't have gotten more than 20.

Don't ever compare Nenad to a legend EVER. Just because the Magic let other team's scrubs/average players to have career nights doesn't make that player better than another player.

Rollydog · 04-02-2005, 08:42 PM

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Don't ever compare Nenad to a legend EVER. Just because the Magic let other team's scrubs/average players to have career nights doesn't make that player better than another player.

Is Howard a legend yet? No. He's still a rookie, and even more so of a rookie than Krstic, who has had 4 years of pro basketball in Europe.

Rollydog · 04-02-2005, 08:44 PM

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Fair enough, I wasn't saying Krstic flopped on that "flagrant".

On the Francis play you're referring to, I'd say it was a borderline foul. Krstic got him across the arm as he went up for the shot. Like it or not, Steve Francis is going to get that call over a rookie 99% of the time.

They showed that on the Nets show and I can attest that Krstic didn't touch him. He was about an inch away, but I agree it is understandable when a ref makes that call, just as it is understandable when someone is seemingly ripped to the ground and hits with a loud thud.

hobojoe · 04-02-2005, 08:47 PM

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They showed that on the Nets show and I can attest that Krstic didn't touch him. He was about an inch away, but I agree it is understandable when a ref makes that call, just as it is understandable when someone is seemingly ripped to the ground and hits with a loud thud.

Again, fair enough. Just like you see stars get calls like Francis did all the time, you see flagrants called based on the result of the play rather than the intent.

hobojoe · 04-02-2005, 08:50 PM

Magic secure tiebreaker with win over Nets

The bus bringing the Magic to the arena took nearly two hours to make the 8-mile journey, and that was only the start of Orlando's problems.

Two starters were out. A player on a 10-day contract was taking big shots in the fourth quarter. The officials called a technical foul on Nets coach Lawrence Frank, then rescinded it after the free throw was made.

"It was hard, man. I fought through an uphill battle all game," Orlando guard Steve Francis said after the Magic refused to succumb to all sorts of adversity and defeated the New Jersey Nets 103-102 Saturday night to clinch the tiebreaker between the teams.

Francis had 33 points, five assists and seven rebounds for Orlando, which won the season series 3-1 with a gutty performance befitting of a team fighting to make the playoffs.

The Magic, missing starters Grant Hill and Jameer Nelson, had lost 11 of 14 coming in and were at risk of falling two games behind Philadelphia for eighth place in the East. Instead, Orlando passed New Jersey in the conference standings and sent the Nets to a crushing loss.

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**DwyaneWade4MVP** · 04-03-2005, 01:34 AM

Very important win! only a half game behind the playoffs!

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