Originally posted by John!
cant lead his team to a championship if he scores points like the way he has been doing for the past 3 years.
He is a smart basketball player and he does make things look easy but this type of basketball dont exist in championship basketball.
You dont take the ball in transition, fakes like u are passing the ball then shoots the 3s. What a loser!
I'm royally confused. You came into the Bulls board asking why the Bulls are hated, saying you weren't trying to bait us. Then you come down here trying to bait the Magic board. So was the Bulls post a bait also?
It's funny how the Suns have the biggest no-leader in their team out of Stephon Marbury and it shows since Jason Kidd did what Marbury couldn't do for the Nets and now he comes to talk bad about our main man, T-Mac.
You have enough critisizing to do about your own team, don't worry about the Magic!
Originally posted by John!
cant lead his team to a championship if he scores points like the way he has been doing for the past 3 years.
He is a smart basketball player and he does make things look easy but this type of basketball dont exist in championship basketball.
You dont take the ball in transition, fakes like u are passing the ball then shoots the 3s. What a loser!
Wow, such an insightful post. I believe the premise of basketball is for your team to score more points than the other team, then you win. So in that case, I think Tmac scoring a lot of points is a good thing.
Tmac hasn't had the supporting cast, but wait until he does. Plus people who only look at the negative seem to miss the double-digit assists games Tmac has had this season. Most of those at the same time scoring 30-40 points.
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Wow, such an insightful post. I believe the premise of basketball is for your team to score more points than the other team, then you win. So in that case, I think Tmac scoring a lot of points is a good thing.
Tmac hasn't had the supporting cast, but wait until he does. Plus people who only look at the negative seem to miss the double-digit assists games Tmac has had this season. Most of those at the same time scoring 30-40 points.
TMac will have his supporting cast by next year. Gooden has been great since the trade, but is still a rookie. Same goes for Giricek. Come playoff time, there is a different atmosphere, and rookies wont get calls. This will hurt the Magic a bit, but by next year, Tracy will have a great supporting cast to make a deep run. Gooden should be a 20/10 type of PF or very close to it by next year. The reason I believe this is bec. since the trade he has been around 20 points andf 10 rebounds quite a bit. Giricek has done excellent for the Magic as well. Combine that with Hunter, who provides shotblocking(sorely needed on this team), rebounding, and athleticsm upfront, the Magic will be a good team capable of making a serious run in the playoffs. This year will be a learning experience for them.
Next year will be the real deal.
PS- I love your teams future after the trade. Even w/o Hill its starting to look good. With Miller, who was a fine player, the Magic still lacked post help. Giricek has replaced Miller(literally, look at the stats), and Gooden has gone beyond expectations IMO. Hunter will be the shotblocking presence you currently lack. Garrity is a good shooter. PG is a little concern with DArm's age, and Vaughn's subpar play. Bt Whitney was a good pickup, as he is a good shooter. With this year's pick, would the Magic be wise to pickup a C or a PG? Their 2-4 seems set with a rotation of Giricek, McGrady, Gooden, Garrity, and to a lesser extent Sasser.
In looking at nbadraft.net, they have projected Ben Gordan, Luke Ridnour available at your pick. Both would be PGs that could start and eventually be great players. I personally like Ben Gordan. Also, you could go with Kendrick Perkins, a legit C with size. Hunter could come in as the backup PF/C. David Harrison is another possibility.
What I am trying to say is that the Magic have a great future. I can honestly say that the Magic's future looks very bright, and I am beginning to feel the same way about the Magic's future as my team's future, the Chicago Bulls. Except the Magic are better as of now.
TMac will have his supporting cast by next year. Gooden has been great since the trade, but is still a rookie. Same goes for Giricek. Come playoff time, there is a different atmosphere, and rookies wont get calls. This will hurt the Magic a bit, but by next year, Tracy will have a great supporting cast to make a deep run. Gooden should be a 20/10 type of PF or very close to it by next year. The reason I believe this is bec. since the trade he has been around 20 points andf 10 rebounds quite a bit. Giricek has done excellent for the Magic as well. Combine that with Hunter, who provides shotblocking(sorely needed on this team), rebounding, and athleticsm upfront, the Magic will be a good team capable of making a serious run in the playoffs. This year will be a learning experience for them.
Next year will be the real deal.
PS- I love your teams future after the trade. Even w/o Hill its starting to look good. With Miller, who was a fine player, the Magic still lacked post help. Giricek has replaced Miller(literally, look at the stats), and Gooden has gone beyond expectations IMO. Hunter will be the shotblocking presence you currently lack. Garrity is a good shooter. PG is a little concern with DArm's age, and Vaughn's subpar play. Bt Whitney was a good pickup, as he is a good shooter. With this year's pick, would the Magic be wise to pickup a C or a PG? Their 2-4 seems set with a rotation of Giricek, McGrady, Gooden, Garrity, and to a lesser extent Sasser.
In looking at nbadraft.net, they have projected Ben Gordan, Luke Ridnour available at your pick. Both would be PGs that could start and eventually be great players. I personally like Ben Gordan. Also, you could go with Kendrick Perkins, a legit C with size. Hunter could come in as the backup PF/C. David Harrison is another possibility.
What I am trying to say is that the Magic have a great future. I can honestly say that the Magic's future looks very bright, and I am beginning to feel the same way about the Magic's future as my team's future, the Chicago Bulls. Except the Magic are better as of now.
The future looks pretty good, but we still need some savvy moves in order to be a title contender IMO. Sorely needed are a much better starting PG (one who preferably can shoot) and some sort of true center. I like Luke Ridnour as a draft pick, although watching him the other day, his foot speed doesnt look to great and we don't need any more holes on defense. Tmac and Darrel Asrmstrong are the only good defenders on the team.
I have looked at nbadraft.net and there are going to be 2-3 guys available late 1st early 2nd round that are all 6-10/6-11 guys who's primary jobs in college were to rebound and blocks shots. I would like to see Orlando take a stab at one of those guys.
Orlando's future now hinges, IMO, on two players.. Drew Gooden.. he needs to put in work in the offseason. If he can really bulk up over the next couple seasons, he could be one of the best PF's in the league, especially in the East. And Steven Hunter ... he has yet to provide much for Orlando, but I think they made a mistake with starting him right after he was drafted. He ws drafted as a project, and then they threw him right to the wolves. Hunter makes me nervous, because although he is incredibly lengthy and athletic, his footwork seems really bad and he doesnt seem to explode well off two feet, which isn't a good thing for a "shotblocker".
Kemp could also make a HUGE difference next season. If he can put in the work this off-season and lose 20-25 more pounds, him and Gooden in the frontcourt could be enough to take Orlando far into the playoffs.
Ofcourse, all this is predicated on Grant Hill being done in my mind. If he by some miracle could come back, even only at 80-85 percent, Orlando could be in the Finals next year.
I was thinking earlier today, imagine if Orlando had not given away all the opportunities at big men they have had - (not made sign and trade for Hill but just signed him outright)
PG - Atkins/Armstrong
SG - Tmac/Miller
SF - Hill/Garrity
PF - Ben Wallace / Amare Stoudemire
C - Brendan Haywood / Keon Clark
Oh hindsight..
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T-Mac is doing everything right, and that's why so many ppl consider him the best player in the league this season. He's the leading scorer in ppg, and yet at any time can dish out double digit assists, and grab a few rebounds. Without him, the magic would be lost.
Gooden has been amazing. I think we can go past the first round this season. If we face the pacers, we'd have a tough time, but if we face the struggling nets, then we can take the series. Don't forget that the trade has made this team a top team in the eastern conference. Just look at their record since the trade, and the teams they have beaten.
Yeah, I dont think we go anywhere if we face the Pacers. If Artest is still playing by then, he is one of the best Tmac defenders in the league. Him and Al Harrington could probably at least slow down Tmac. And I really like Gooden, but at this point, him vs Jermaine Oneal is a first round KO for Oneal.
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Yeah and I guess scoring 43 points tonight and dominating so much that he can sit out the rest of the 4th quarter still makes T-Mac not being able to lead a team? Just because you don't get far into the playoffs for 3 seasons when you are only 24 years old doesn't prove anything, Garnett still hasn't done it yet and I'm sure if Kobe Bryant wasn't on the Lakers he wouldn't have done it either. Untill McGrady has consistent help from players like Gooden (and being a rookie might effect his playoff performances) he will continue to struggle against big teams like the New Jersey Nets or the Indiana Pacers, which is nothing weird.
So, where are you now John? I haven't heard anything from you ever since that first post. I'm waiting for your debate.
Originally posted by Jamal!
Yeah and I guess scoring 43 points tonight and dominating so much that he can sit out the rest of the 4th quarter still makes T-Mac not being able to lead a team? Just because you don't get far into the playoffs for 3 seasons when you are only 24 years old doesn't prove anything, Garnett still hasn't done it yet and I'm sure if Kobe Bryant wasn't on the Lakers he wouldn't have done it either. Untill McGrady has consistent help from players like Gooden (and being a rookie might effect his playoff performances) he will continue to struggle against big teams like the New Jersey Nets or the Indiana Pacers, which is nothing weird.
So, where are you now John? I haven't heard anything from you ever since that first post. I'm waiting for your debate.
I was disappointed with Tmac last year. I didn't care who won between them or the Hornets, but I was disappointed with the way he acted. It almost seemed like he was more after his own stats than the wins, increasing his own persona. I mean, why would he go out and say that he was better than Bdavis? Yea, he's better than Davis. But look at this. Mash was out, so Davis wasn't working with all that much more than Tmac, yet he dropped 2 cons. TD's and hit an amazing gamewinner that didn't count, and basically single-handedly won the series. Than, Tmac blames his teammates and says he's better than Davis. Tmac's a great player, but I think he needs to put the team first a little more often. I hope he makes strides this year, because it's hard for me to root for a guy that acts the way he does sometimes.
A guy like TMac can't be a Champion...Wow blindness is prevelant at times.
Let's look at 9 of the Championships in the last few years.
Lets see MJ won 6 titles
And now Kobe has 3.
Interesting Tmac is a great player in the same territiry as Kobe, and is battling to be the next Jordan.
One thing both those guy's had, 1 more star on the team. MJ had Pippen, Kobe has Shaq (or Shaq has Kobe). TMac has...Hill? Would be great if he hadn't missed the majority of the last 3 seasons, so TMac had....Miller? Nope. Gooden now, not yet.
Great post, Schilly. This guy obviously made this post to either bug our posters here in the Magic forum and try to make McGrady look bad or he obviously holds a grudge against T-Mac because he plays for us and isn't a player on the Suns.
It's simple, either one of those two options, I'm sure of it.
That's true, every star needs someone else. What's the closest thing to a championship by one guy? I'm trying to think of all the great ones, and it seems like everyone either had another star or a variety of guys who were all very good. I think Niq gets the shaft a lot of the time when people mention great players. Not even one of the 50 greatest? Plz. He played in the same era as Jordan, which hurt his popularity, and didn't play on a good enough team to win it all. Best dunker ever IMO.
T-mac...
