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Orlando Magic pursuing a new arena

Magic play stall game on money for arena

Orlando Magic officials remained silent Tuesday about how much they would pay toward building an arena and also staked out neutral ground in a debate that's heating up over moving the new center to International Drive.

The Magic presented their proposal for a new $385 million arena to Orange County commissioners, who must help divide up tourist-tax money and other resources for three projects: the arena, a new downtown performing-arts center and an upgraded Florida Citrus Bowl.

The price tag for all three public venues could reach $1.1 billion, and pressure is building for the Magic to pony up on the arena -- the costliest of the three projects. But Magic officials say they aren't ready to reveal their contribution until the center's location is decided and they finish negotiations with county as well as city leaders, who also are set to pitch in tax money and land for the projects.

One way to make the arena cheaper would be to move it from city land in downtown Orlando to land within the county near the Orange County Convention Center. The idea is to surround the arena with restaurants and shops that would pay a special tax to help fund its construction and operations.

But the potential move is pitting city and county leaders against each other in a fight that could threaten the chances of all three projects getting built. Orlando officials say moving any venue out of downtown short-circuits revitalization efforts.

"I hope, in a best-case scenario, this is just a negotiation play," said Orlando Commissioner Patty Sheehan after watching the Magic's presentation. "This divide-and-conquer thing is not good for our residents. It only breeds cynicism."

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Old 09-16-2006, 09:20 PM   #2 (permalink)
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Old 09-17-2006, 03:35 AM   #3 (permalink)
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Re: Orlando Magic pursuing a new arena

As with most stadium projects, there's a lot of political manuevering involved in this situation. I hope for Orlando's sake they get the staduim. As for how the stadium looks, it's nice, but I wish the architect would have designed something that fits the context a little more. The building just doesn't look like Orlando to me.
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The building just doesn't look like Orlando to me.
I was thinking that myself. To me, it works in Miami. Not so much in Orlando.
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What kind of style does look like Orlando then?
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Old 09-17-2006, 02:56 PM   #6 (permalink)
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What kind of style does look like Orlando then?
Considering Orlando is a city in cental Florida maybe a lighter look built using light (weight) looking materials that reference an oceanic or atlantic theme. If I was tasked to design this facility, I would have went with more of a playful look that complimented the context of the site and the city as a whole better. This is done by the use of materials, colors, scale, etc. Now don't get me wrong, overall it's a nice facility, but it would look better in another city.

However, realistically when budgets are set and value engineering takes place the facility will look nothing like this anyways. These renderings are typically eye-candy for the community to get all excited and that is it.
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Considering Orlando is a city in cental Florida maybe a lighter look built using light (weight) looking materials that reference an oceanic or atlantic theme. If I was tasked to design this facility, I would have went with more of a playful look that complimented the context of the site and the city as a whole better. This is done by the use of materials, colors, scale, etc. Now don't get me wrong, overall it's a nice facility, but it would look better in another city.

However, realistically when budgets are set and value engineering takes place the facility will look nothing like this anyways. These renderings are typically eye-candy for the community to get all excited and that is it.
Structural engineer? You definitly sound like you know what you're talking about, so I'm not going to argue.


On to something of more importance: Location.

For anyone familiar with the Orlando area, they are supposedly down to two approximate locations, Downtown Orlando and an I-Drive location in Southwest Orlando.

Pros of Downtown Orlando:
-Continuity as that's where the current arena is.
-Central location. Relatively accesible to everyone in Central Florida.
-Would bolster Orlando's re-building of downtown plans. Church St could be revitalized.
-Lots of new condos are going up downtown. Potential fans.
-Closer to the Magic practice facility and offices. The RDV complex in Maitland.

Cons of Downtown Orlando:
-More expensive
-Land is tougher to come by.



Pros of Southwest Orlando:
-Would be cheaper as businesses and hotels are more willing to chip in cash.
-Most season ticket holders are the richer type. Most richer folks of Orlando live in the Southwest.
-Much of the cost will be covered by the county. The county prefers here, the city prefers downtown.
-Players would likely prefer here, as most live in the Southwest.
-More hotels, closer to the airport and better location for any potential tourists who would want to see a game.
-Would likely be a better location for the other events to come to an arena like concerts.

Cons of Southwest Orlando:
-Would be a longer drive for fans from North and East Orlando.
-I-Drive is packed already. More traffic would be no fun. (However, the arena would be next to the Convention Center, so driving on I-Drive wouldn't be necessary as you could just use I-4 and the Beachline/Beeline.
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Re: Orlando Magic pursuing a new arena

The proposed building's shape could be worse, but dear God, what's with the ugly yellow glass!?!? Seriously. Eww. I guess it would make too much sense to give the building blue accents. You know, considering it's the Magic's color and many of the buildings downtown are that color...
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Structural engineer? You definitly sound like you know what you're talking about, so I'm not going to argue.
I'm not a structural engineer, but rather an architect! Nice write up on the pros and cons of the different locations.
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It definitely needs some blue or blue-ish green. More oceanic, atlantic type colors. It also helps that blue is the color of the Magic.
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