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Enjoy fishing Jizzy?

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MickyEyez

Jizzy aint comin back... what a tool. i was hopin he would have more to add.

hobojoe

I just wish he made any sense at all.

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MickyEyez

too many people out there are either: B. naive B. don't know anything outside of their bubble and can't understand how this world is C. retarded D. all of the above

Jizzy just sounds like he is: D

seifer0406

Anyone got a video of that game? I think a lot still depend on who made those calls. If it was the other 2 that called all those fouls on Howard,it still wouldn't be enough proof of him manipulating something more than point spread.

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MickyEyez

Hobo already explained this... he said that he couldn't find a video and wishes he could (not surprising it's not online, because it would violate copyright laws as footage is property of the NBA).

The point isn't whether or not Donaghy called all of those ridiculous fouls (i'm sure he called a lot of them)... the point is that the game wasn't legit and it was OBVIOUS that there were WAY too many calls on Dwight, let alone the fact that they were all either off the ball fouls, or offensive. i'm not saying that donaghy took it into his own hands to take Dwight out (because he couldn't unless he ejected him) and i'm not saying that Dwight didn't deserve any of those calls... but the fact that he fouled out within 19 minutes, which just makes it obvious that the fix was on in this game.

What else would he be manipulating??

that is what this discussion is about, that is EXACTLY what he is being interrogated for.

seifer0406

Because hobo is the only guy that has access to nba videos?

I have more than 50 Raptors games on hard drive from last year, because I'm a raptor fan. I was hoping that someone here might have the same.

And NBA game videos are online, welcome to 2007. Lol @ your believe at copyright laws. I want to thank you on behave of the music industry, gaming industry, video industry, etc. It's people like you that keeps us from shrinking even faster.

If the other 2 referees called these fouls, then you can't really say that Tim Donaghy altered the game outcome because the outcome of the game was mostly decided by Howard getting tossed. What Donaghy could've done was altered a 8 point game and turn it into a 13 point game or something like that with or without Howard being on the floor. A lot of fans are interested to know whether or not Tim Donaghy had enough influence or willingness to change a loss to a win for certain teams. So far, from the stats at nba.com they have only shown that the games that Donaghy officiated the point totals were higher.

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MickyEyez

you my friend... have no clue on how sports betting works...

if stats from nba.com tell you that they usually just scored more when Donaghy was officiating, why is the mob involved? how is he making his money? the fact is that there are lines for EVERYTHING in vegas. It could've been easily something as small as who scores more: Dwight or Amare? the obvious in this game would've been amare. let's go a little higher to the 1st half line and total, that can be altered by ONE referee that blows his whistle on the most important player early in the game... in the first 19 min?? $$ would follow first half and the game line, and it would be extremely EASY $$$$$. I'm going to ignore the fact that you even said that it wouldn't have matter all that much with Dwight being in the game.

He didn't foul out dwight, but he obviously had a hand in it. it's a very simple scenario.. NBA ref wants lots of $$ and does it by doing his part to try to make sure it happens. How many "bad calls" have you seen? i'm assuming a lot, so imagine if all those calls really WERE bad calls, but you didn't know there was a reason behind those calls... is that so hard to believe?

its stupid to think that taking out dwight that early in the game AND putting them in foul trouble on makes a 5 point difference. it makes no sense to have vegas set the line at PK and "ironically" Dwight fouls out and they end up losing by 14.

Vegas has very very rich professionals that are DAMN good at making sure that Vegas wins money by setting the lines. They are more often than not within 3-5 points of the line that is set. those lines are set for the "public" so that they can make $$, they do that by making a certain team look attractive so they can make even more money. Bottom line, these guys are goooood, and it makes no sense for orlando to lose at home by 14 after losing dwight that early in the game... in a game that was set at PK (pick em, which you also probably didn't know).

Donaghy, like all referees in the NBA, have the power to break the vegas bank (which is why the mob cut him a fat check).

That pretty much sums it up.

seifer0406

You my friend, can't read.

When I say altering outcome, I am talking about whether a team will lose or win because of Tim Donaghy. From looking at this particular game, Dwight Howard getting tossed would be the main reason to why the Magic lost the game. If most of Howard's fouls were called by the other 2 officials, you can't really blame this losing factor on Tim Donaghy. The important part here is, "Did Tim Donaghy blow fouls on Dwight Howard? How many fouls did he blow on him?" If the other 2 refs blew 5 fouls on Dwight and Donaghy blew 1, how do you prove that Donaghy altered the game?

From the reports, it has already been statistically proven that the point totals from Tim Donaghy refed games were higher than regular ones. If I am not mistaken, the thread starter wanted to show that Tim Donaghy tossed Dwight Howard on purpose in order to alter the game win/loss result. And I am curious as to whether or not Donaghy actually called these fouls on Howard. But because nobody has a video of that game, we really can't tell.

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MickyEyez

I said that already... that is the point, "Dwight Howard getting tossed would be the main reason to why the Magic lost the game"... NO S#!T!! thanks for repeating exactly what i said.

you just dont get it.

you are right about one thing though, nobody knows who blew all the whistles on dwight... but THAT was the point of the thread starter... its extremely ironic that in a game that Donaghy officiated, Dwight fouled out in 19 min. We don't know who blew those whistles, but that is the theory... that Donaghy being one of the officials, probably played a large part in getting dwight fouled out.

that stat you keep trying to throw out about the games he officiated being a higher total than others is absolutely POINTLESS. we do not care about that stat here and it has no relevance to this topic. You didn't mention that it has also been reported that they are looking back to all of their footage and other things to really find out how he changed the games. That is why the FBI is getting involved as well. Stern has stated that the NBA is going to cooperate with the FBI to find out exactly what Donaghy was doing and how he was altering the game's outcome.

i remember watching that game. It was absolutely ridiculous how Dwight was getting called for the offensive fouls just going up to the basket... The suns flopped a few times, but there were times the suns shuffled their feet a bit after dwight was bodying them up and dwight would get called. I remember dwight's reactions and i remember how even the suns were surprised by some of the calls.

bottom line: it was a fixed game... that is the topic at hand. it was a loss for the Magic and it was set up to be that way... you still haven't taken a firm stance on what you are babbling about (rule #1 of a debate).

seifer0406

You are the one that doesn't get it.

Point totals matter because Donaghy games averaged more than 15 points than the average scored predicted in Vegas last year. That was the only thing they were able to prove statistically.

I am baffled to how you can repeat what I wrote and still come up with a fixed game conclusion.

If Donaghy didn't blow those fouls on Howard, then he didn't "alter" the game outcome. If he didn't alter the game outcome, he did not "fix" the game. He may have alter the point score at the end, make a 10 point game into a 15 point game or something like that, but he did not do something that would've changed the win/loss. That is what matters most to a NBA fan, and that is what I wanted to know.

hmm....

The thread title is asking whether this is convincing enough. I asked for game video at the very beginning because it isn't convincing enough if the other 2 refs blew all those fouls on Howard. If Donaghy was the one that blew those fouls, then you can make an argument, until then, one can only be suspicious. Yet, common logic tells me that it's likely the fouls were mostly called by the other refs. If Donaghy went berserk on Howard and tossed Howard in 19 minutes all by himself, the other 2 refs would've found that suspicious rightaway and someone from the NBA would've noticed that.

Again, I don't understand how you could've missed my point after your huge replies. Do you even read what people write or you just say what's on your mind?

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MickyEyez

so why don't you tell me what that means? explain how he made money then? they just took the over for all the games he adjusted? thats my point that i've tried to get across that TIME AND TIME again you simply dont get it. you have no idea how sports betting works, and that's why you are just making yourself sound more and more clueless.


you are retarded.



still not getting anywhere with that statement. i feel like a broken record, so i wont even repeat myself on this.

what point? you still haven't made one... i'm waiting.

unless of course your point is that its not cause of donaghy that dwight fouled out in 19 min. even after we found out that Donaghy was involved in a betting scandal.