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hobojoe · 07-24-2007, 10:54 PM

December 11, 2006

Phoenix Suns at Orlando Magic

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Phoenix Suns (pk)
Orlando Magic (pk)

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Originally Posted by Enigma

Howard with 6 fouls, I believe all of them were on the offensive end and loose ball fouls. I wonder if that is some kind of record? Fouling out with no defensive fouls.

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Originally Posted by YoYoYoWasup

The officiating was a disgrace in this game. Howard was completely taken out of the game with some of these 'calls.'

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Arena:
Amway Arena, Orlando, FL
Officials:
#21 Tim Donaghy , #45 Joe Forte , #64 Eli Roe
Attendance:
16,533
Duration:
2:11

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Even line, seems pretty obvious to me that the easiest way to ensure a Suns victory would be to take Dwight Howard out of the game completely. I understand this game meant absolutely nothing in the long run and I'm not trying to stir up some conspiracy against the Magic by Donaghy or try to complain about the Magic getting screwed or anything like that. I just think there's a very good chance he had something to gain from a Suns victory that night. You convinced?

JT3000 · 07-25-2007, 12:59 AM

Obviously. That was utterly ridiculous.

Jizzy · 07-25-2007, 07:15 AM

First of all, why would the refs need to intervene in a game the Suns were going to win anyway?

Second, what makes this game so important?

Third, maybe, possible, Dwight actually did foul out on his own?

These conspiracy theories are ridiculous.

hobojoe · 07-25-2007, 07:55 AM

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Originally Posted by Jizzy

First of all, why would the refs need to intervene in a game the Suns were going to win anyway?

Second, what makes this game so important?

Third, maybe, possible, Dwight actually did foul out on his own?

These conspiracy theories are ridiculous.

Your blatant misunderstanding of everything involved is hilarious, but not surprising because you just wanted to come in here and troll.

To answer your first question, why was it given the Suns were going to win this anyway? The Magic were 15-6 and leading the Eastern Conference going into the game and at home, that's why the line was even for the game smart ***.

Secondly, you completely misunderstand the situation to think Donaghy would only affect games that are important. Last time I checked you can bet on games that aren't "important", am I right?

Finally, your point about Dwight actually fouling out on his own is just a misinformed attempt at a shot at him because you don't like him. But here are some FACTS. Dwight played 94 total games last season, and fouled out exactly TWO other times, but somehow managed to foul out in 19 minutes in this game? Not ONE of the foul calls against Dwight was defensive, not ONE. All of his calls were away from the ball and offensive. It was ridiculous, if you had watched the game you would know that.

And this is not some crazy conspiracy theory, and I made that pretty obvious that I don't think anyone was out to get the Magic, or Dwight Howard, or the Bulls, or the Clippers, or anyone else that people are claiming around here -- There was a ref who, in my mind, undoubtedly affected games in which he refereed to win money gambling and to help acquaintances win money as well. Is that so hard to understand? I'm just saying looking at the facts in this game, I have a strong feeling something was up and he needed the Suns to cover, which in this case meant they had to win. It was a 2 point game at the half, but Dwight picked up a quick 3rd and 4th foul away from the ball to start the 2nd half (and a technical because of how ridiculous and blatant the terrible officiating was) and was on the bench for the rest of the 3rd quarter as the Suns outscored the Magic 30-14 to ensure victory.

Tell me I'm being unreasonable and this doesn't sound like there's any way it could be true.

**X-Factor** · 07-25-2007, 08:54 AM

I`ll buy into that. It`s most definitely a very peculiar coincidence if Donaghy didn`t have something to do with the outcome. The league is looking into things like this, and I wouldn`t be surprised if your observation came out as having merit.

**JNice** · 07-25-2007, 04:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Jizzy

First of all, why would the refs need to intervene in a game the Suns were going to win anyway?

Second, what makes this game so important?

Third, maybe, possible, Dwight actually did foul out on his own?

These conspiracy theories are ridiculous.

lol .. unintentional comedy is great.

Jizzy · 07-25-2007, 05:28 PM

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Your blatant misunderstanding of everything involved is hilarious, but not surprising because you just wanted to come in here and troll.

Not trolling, just questioning.

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To answer your first question, why was it given the Suns were going to win this anyway? The Magic were 15-6 and leading the Eastern Conference going into the game and at home, that's why the line was even for the game smart ***.

Doesn't mean ****. The Suns were going to wi that game and you know it. The Magic got off to a hot start, good for them but the rest of the season and the playoffs brought the truth out of them.

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Secondly, you completely misunderstand the situation to think Donaghy would only affect games that are important. Last time I checked you can bet on games that aren't "important", am I right?

How paranoid you are. I'm sur there are bigger games and bigger bets on the table then who wins a Suns-Magics game. CMon, honestly man.

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Finally, your point about Dwight actually fouling out on his own is just a misinformed attempt at a shot at him because you don't like him. But here are some FACTS. Dwight played 94 total games last season, and fouled out exactly TWO other times, but somehow managed to foul out in 19 minutes in this game? Not ONE of the foul calls against Dwight was defensive, not ONE. All of his calls were away from the ball and offensive. It was ridiculous, if you had watched the game you would know that.

Wait, wait, wait, wait, Dwight fouling out two other times makes him inept to picking up quick fouls and having one short night? Shocking!

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And this is not some crazy conspiracy theory, and I made that pretty obvious that I don't think anyone was out to get the Magic, or Dwight Howard, or the Bulls, or the Clippers, or anyone else that people are claiming around here -- There was a ref who, in my mind, undoubtedly affected games in which he refereed to win money gambling and to help acquaintances win money as well. Is that so hard to understand? I'm just saying looking at the facts in this game, I have a strong feeling something was up and he needed the Suns to cover, which in this case meant they had to win. It was a 2 point game at the half, but Dwight picked up a quick 3rd and 4th foul away from the ball to start the 2nd half (and a technical because of how ridiculous and blatant the terrible officiating was) and was on the bench for the rest of the 3rd quarter as the Suns outscored the Magic 30-14 to ensure victory.

Tell me I'm being unreasonable and this doesn't sound like there's any way it could be true.

This isn't a conspiracy theory? Are you sane?

**knicksfan** · 07-25-2007, 07:26 PM

It's games like this that he probably fixed to try and be undetectable. Even line, a game that anyone expects the Suns to have success in. Perfect game to bet on and try to make it seem as if nothing is planned to fix it. That was probably Donaghy's plan, to try and divert attention.

**JNice** · 07-25-2007, 07:51 PM

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Originally Posted by Jizzy

Not trolling, just questioning.

Doesn't mean ****. The Suns were going to wi that game and you know it. The Magic got off to a hot start, good for them but the rest of the season and the playoffs brought the truth out of them.

How paranoid you are. I'm sur there are bigger games and bigger bets on the table then who wins a Suns-Magics game. CMon, honestly man.

Wait, wait, wait, wait, Dwight fouling out two other times makes him inept to picking up quick fouls and having one short night? Shocking!

This isn't a conspiracy theory? Are you sane?

Seriously bro-ha ... you need some edumacation.

Captain Obvious · 07-25-2007, 07:59 PM

This is the first game that Magic fans thought of when the Donaghy thing broke. If you actually watched the game, the officiating was beyond terrible. This game was also mentioned in a national article about games that might have been influenced by Donaghy, so it's not just "paranoid" Magic fans who think something was odd.

**JNice** · 07-25-2007, 08:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Captain Obvious

This is the first game that Magic fans thought of when the Donaghy thing broke. If you actually watched the game, the officiating was beyond terrible. This game was also mentioned in a national article about games that might have been influenced by Donaghy, so it's not just "paranoid" Magic fans who think something was odd.

NO! Phoenix was going to win anyway! And nobody cared about that game! Who the hell would bet on an Orlando game? Dwight Howard suxors!

MickyEyez · 07-25-2007, 09:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Jizzy

Doesn't mean ****. The Suns were going to wi that game and you know it. The Magic got off to a hot start, good for them but the rest of the season and the playoffs brought the truth out of them.

How paranoid you are. I'm sur there are bigger games and bigger bets on the table then who wins a Suns-Magics game. CMon, honestly man.

i'm guessin you dont know much about sports betting... line movements, trends, etc...

doesn't matter how big the game is... the fact is there are millions and millions flying around in vegas everyday. he was involved with the mob and he obviously got his fat chunk of change for throwing these games towards one result so that the they could make some $$$...

simple as that...

hobojoe · 07-25-2007, 09:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Jizzy

Doesn't mean ****. The Suns were going to wi that game and you know it. The Magic got off to a hot start, good for them but the rest of the season and the playoffs brought the truth out of them.<

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