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10-03-2007, 07:31 PM
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Starting 5?
So, what do you think about our starting five? My choice is: Keyon Dooling, Trevor Ariza, Turk, Rashard and Dwight...Yes, I think Dooling is the best option at point for small starting 5 because we are already undersized on defence, so starting small and defenseless Jameer or Carlos would be disaster...Ariza should be a lock in starting five, he is not great shooter but Turk and Lewis are and Trevor can defend both forwards and guards...
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10-04-2007, 10:21 AM
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Re: Starting 5?
first off,
SVG is going to rotate guys around a LOT until he gets a good feel for what he is looking for...
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Originally Posted by Babir
So, what do you think about our starting five? My choice is: Keyon Dooling, Trevor Ariza, Turk, Rashard and Dwight...Yes, I think Dooling is the best option at point for small starting 5 because we are already undersized on defence, so starting small and defenseless Jameer or Carlos would be disaster...Ariza should be a lock in starting five, he is not great shooter but Turk and Lewis are and Trevor can defend both forwards and guards...
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We are in BIG trouble if this is our starting line up... no size in the paint and an offensive nightmare.
Edit: Other teams would LOVE to play defense against this line up. Shard thrives off of playing undersized defenders..
Dooling is great and i love the guy, but he is really a SG at heart. He doesn't handle the ball particularly well, dribbles to much and doesn't find the passing lanes quick enough. Jameer will most likely be the PG, as he is the only one that can actually distribute the ball (although he has a lot of weaknesses himself ie. poor decision making at times, poor shot selection) and arroyo is just plain awful.
Ariza can only play 2 positions well IMO, SF and PF. Although an undersized PF, his athletisism is enough to defend some of the bigger guys in the league. He is just too slow, lanky and akward at times to play the 2. Turk is a big guy, but now that he has slimmed down a bit, he would probably be best suited for the 2 if Redick doesn't earn that job. I believe Ariza will continue to be a great 6th man and bring a spark off the bench.
I still believe that we NEED to bring a big in before the season starts, but Foyle would be fine in the meantime as he will lock up the inside along with Dwight.
Line up should be:
PG Jameer
SG Turk or Redick
SF Shard
PF Foyle
C Dwight
I wouldn't worry as much about defense. A lot of you guys tend to think that we will let all the guys just man up for the game, but SVG is great at putting together a system and the players will feed off of each other and play fine on the defensive side IMO. I know we brought Shard in, but i'm still worried about whether we will find consistency on Offense.

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10-04-2007, 12:28 PM
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Re: Starting 5?
Does Bogans have a shot at the 2 spot?
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10-04-2007, 12:44 PM
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Re: Starting 5?
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Does Bogans have a shot at the 2 spot?
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sure...
SVG has been good for this organization, and has made it clear that EVERY position is available and there is going to be an open competition for everyone except Dwight and Shard.
Bogans has a shot at playing the 2, but IMO it's highly unlikely. He cannot create his own shots and settles for 3's all day long. His defense is impressive, but cannot do much else on the offensive side of the floor. His defense alone will not be enough to win him a spot in the starting rotation.
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10-04-2007, 03:47 PM
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Re: Starting 5?
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Originally Posted by MickyEyez
first off,
SVG is going to rotate guys around a LOT until he gets a good feel for what he is looking for...
We are in BIG trouble if this is our starting line up... no size in the paint and an offensive nightmare.
Edit: Other teams would LOVE to play defense against this line up. Shard thrives off of playing undersized defenders..
Dooling is great and i love the guy, but he is really a SG at heart. He doesn't handle the ball particularly well, dribbles to much and doesn't find the passing lanes quick enough. Jameer will most likely be the PG, as he is the only one that can actually distribute the ball (although he has a lot of weaknesses himself ie. poor decision making at times, poor shot selection) and arroyo is just plain awful.
Ariza can only play 2 positions well IMO, SF and PF. Although an undersized PF, his athletisism is enough to defend some of the bigger guys in the league. He is just too slow, lanky and akward at times to play the 2. Turk is a big guy, but now that he has slimmed down a bit, he would probably be best suited for the 2 if Redick doesn't earn that job. I believe Ariza will continue to be a great 6th man and bring a spark off the bench.
I still believe that we NEED to bring a big in before the season starts, but Foyle would be fine in the meantime as he will lock up the inside along with Dwight.
Line up should be:
PG Jameer
SG Turk or Redick
SF Shard
PF Foyle
C Dwight
I wouldn't worry as much about defense. A lot of you guys tend to think that we will let all the guys just man up for the game, but SVG is great at putting together a system and the players will feed off of each other and play fine on the defensive side IMO. I know we brought Shard in, but i'm still worried about whether we will find consistency on Offense.

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ya,I worried about the scroing too ,but once we can get a decent PF, maybe that will help
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10-04-2007, 05:42 PM
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Re: Starting 5?
Here I go...
Jameer
Hedo
Ariza
Rashard
Dwight
That is hoping that SVG can fix Rashard.
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10-05-2007, 09:46 AM
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Re: Starting 5?
does anyone realize that shard cannot hang on defense playing the 4?
How is he going to defend KG, Bosh, Randolph, etc.
he will get rotated around to that position at certain points in a game, but he cannot handle that position full time.
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10-05-2007, 09:58 AM
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Re: Starting 5?
Yeah, I agree with putting Shard at the 3, that's really his only natural position despite his 6'9ish Frame, he can't guard any real PF's, and doesn't board like a 4, so he'll have to play the 3, and have Hedo come off the bench, I think the most successful lineup will be..
Nelson
Ariza
Lewis
Foyle
Howard
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10-05-2007, 11:56 AM
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Re: Starting 5?
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Originally Posted by Prolific Scorer
Yeah, I agree with putting Shard at the 3, that's really his only natural position despite his 6'9ish Frame, he can't guard any real PF's, and doesn't board like a 4, so he'll have to play the 3, and have Hedo come off the bench, I think the most successful lineup will be..
Nelson
Ariza
Lewis
Foyle
Howard
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That'd be nice, but then what does our bench look like? Turk, a bunch of guards, and a couple big men in NBA diapers. We need Foyle coming off the bench.
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10-05-2007, 12:54 PM
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Re: Starting 5?
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Originally Posted by Prolific Scorer
Yeah, I agree with putting Shard at the 3, that's really his only natural position despite his 6'9ish Frame, he can't guard any real PF's, and doesn't board like a 4, so he'll have to play the 3, and have Hedo come off the bench, I think the most successful lineup will be..
Nelson
Ariza
Lewis
Foyle
Howard
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this is the first realistic starting 5 IMO.
I wouldn't mind seeing Ariza starting, but SVG has said that he wants to put guys out there that will spread the floor for Dwight inside... i see him putting Turk or Redick at the 2.
For now, Foyle would be the only candidate for the 4... but Otis is supposidely trying very hard to find a way to bring in another big so we don't have to resort to using Foyle as a starter.
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10-05-2007, 12:57 PM
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Re: Starting 5?
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That'd be nice, but then what does our bench look like? Turk, a bunch of guards, and a couple big men in NBA diapers. We need Foyle coming off the bench.
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and using shard as a 4 will get him injured or worn out...
we dont have many guys that can play the 3 on the bench either... we have turk, garrity, and maybe augustine...
its a joke to think that Shard will play the 4 when we aren't even deep at the 3.
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10-06-2007, 05:55 AM
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Re: Starting 5?
I also think that we should start 2 big guys up front, Dwight and Foyle, but SVG mentioned a lot of times that he is going to play Lewis at 4...
Actually that will hurt the team, because Rashard will be pushed a lot on defense and we all know that he is injury prone player...
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10-06-2007, 10:44 AM
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Re: Starting 5?
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Originally Posted by MickyEyez
and using shard as a 4 will get him injured or worn out...
we dont have many guys that can play the 3 on the bench either... we have turk, garrity, and maybe augustine...
its a joke to think that Shard will play the 4 when we aren't even deep at the 3.
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Shard, Turk, and Ariza are all SF. It is by far our deepest position. I agree that the starting lineup would be better with Foyle starting at the 4, but that just won't work unless we can pick up another decent big man. Dwight can't play 48 MPG. I think you're exagerating Shard's inability to play the 4. He's 6'10" and is very quick compared to most 4s. You guys act like he'll be guarding Tim Duncan every night.
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10-06-2007, 01:09 PM
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