Keith Bogans might not even make the team, he isn't that good. He's slow, he's an average athlete, average shooter, isn't too good off the dribble. He may make the team but he will never be the reason the Magic are a good team.
Reece Gaines on the other hand is a talent, 6'6 and can play the point, and loves to take big shots, he will be a contributor from day 1.
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Originally posted by Kmasonbx!
Keith Bogans might not even make the team, he isn't that good. He's slow, he's an average athlete, average shooter, isn't too good off the dribble. He may make the team but he will never be the reason the Magic are a good team.
Reece Gaines on the other hand is a talent, 6'6 and can play the point, and loves to take big shots, he will be a contributor from day 1.
Slow? Oh yeah, I guess that's why he's a really good defender. He doesn't have great ballhandling, but he is a good shooter. He was the leading scorer 4 times in the pre-draft camps and went 7 for 12 from the NBA 3 point line in one of the draft camps. He's an athlete for sure, but he sure doesn't show it a lot. He won't be as good as Reece Gaines, but he could be a major contributor.
Slow? Oh yeah, I guess that's why he's a really good defender. He doesn't have great ballhandling, but he is a good shooter. He was the leading scorer 4 times in the pre-draft camps and went 7 for 12 from the NBA 3 point line in one of the draft camps. He's an athlete for sure, but he sure doesn't show it a lot. He won't be as good as Reece Gaines, but he could be a major contributor.
Your favorite player is Keith Bogans so you definitely won't see his faults. Gary Payton was never really fast, and he is one of the greatest on the ball defenders ever. Bogans played against a bunch of other players who were hoping to be first round picks, not exactly the cream of the crop he was going up against. The competition there isn't even as good as Summer League competition let alone what he will see in the NBA. Bogans was a pretty good college player, but he never even made an all-american team, he doesn't have the athletic ability to be a good player in the league, and the other aspects of his game aren't enough to make up for it.
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why do you hate bogans so much? hes a better player than you think he is.YOU havent watched him as much as i have and i know he can be a solid contributor.
I think a lot of people are really underestimating the Magic for this coming year. I even read one guy on this board say that the Bulls would replace the Magic in the playoffs this year! People forget that after the Gooden trade the Magic had the second best record in the East and they took the #1 team to 7 games in the playoffs. Gaines, Pachulia, and Bogans are all great additions plus the Magic will spend money this offseason to bring in Free Agents, even if it means going over the cap. Assuming Kidd leaves I believe that the Magic could win the division with the team they have right now, not counting the free agents they will add. Mark my words the Magic will be a force to be reckoned with in the East next year, I will defend my opinion with anybody who disagrees.
Magic had a nice draft. Gaines and Armstrong tandem at the 1 should help them even more in their playoff run. There is no doubt that Gaines is going to a contributor because most likely, he'll start unless Armstrong challenges. As for Bogans, he'd make an ok player off the bench. There's a reason why he was selected in rd. 2. I don't see how Bogans puts them over the top. Yes, he was a good college player.. thats it. I don't see him being a star in the NBA. Gaines maybe. Not Bogans.
If Magic get Nesterovic, then no doubt they become serious contenders.
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Originally posted by ErikDaniels14UK!
why do you hate bogans so much? hes a better player than you think he is.YOU havent watched him as much as i have and i know he can be a solid contributor.
Your another UK fan, so your opinion is biased, I have nothing against Bogans, I just don't see him being much of an NBA player, and definitley not the player that makes the Magic a contender in the East. If he proves me wrong thats great for him, either way it will have no bearing on my life.
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As for Bogans, he'd make an ok player off the bench. There's a reason why he was selected in rd. 2. I don't see how Bogans puts them over the top. Yes, he was a good college player.. thats it. I don't see him being a star in the NBA. Gaines maybe. Not Bogans.
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he shouldve got picked in the first round but due to early entry and forigners he didnt.Bogans might not be an all-star in the league but who knows? you can't doubt someone until you see how he preforms.if he went his sophmore year and preformed well at pre draft camp he wouldve been in the top 30.last year at kentucky he didnt average as much as he could cuz he had other contributors on the team.
Originally posted by newmessiah10!
Another thing. What if the Magic sign Odom to the injury exception for Grant Hill and they sign Nesterovic for the middle-level exception.
this trade doesnt sound like a good idea since signing odom is just like sign another grant hill and nba doesnt have any "DRUG" exception or "TROUBLE" exception which is even worse and plus odom can not co-exist with t mac since both offense start from perimeter and odom isnt much of a complementry player and doesnt have the mentality to do so, as for t mac, as you all know he wont take a back seat to anyone and odom will not be at his best if he has to complement to t mac, a dup of odom and t mac sound stupid to me
Originally posted by IV!
If you're asking me how can I say they had a bad draft, the answer is I didn't say that. I just dont think this is noteworthy.
You all may be getting a little ahead of yourselves by thinking Reece Gaines and Keith Bogans are the answers to Orlando's lack of success. They were two good picks, but there are not the next Jordan and Pippen, and all of this is completely and overly pre-hyped!
I also dont want to hear, you same fans complaining about the Magics not having enough good players around Tmac should they not do well next year. It's the same ol' story.
Well, I am excited to think that TMac may actually have some help in the near future!
Since Gooden and Gordon are now not rookies - but have a 1/2 year experience with their new team, they'll only get better with camp and pre season games.
I hope that Reece and Bogans will be able to contribute right away - but I am aware that they are rookies!
So, TMAC "might" finally have some help. After all, Kobe has had Shaq since his first year - why shouldn't TMac have someone NOT nearly as dominant as Shaq has been for Kobe???
Why on earth would you begrudge the guy some help? Talk about "hating" - I am shocked to see how anyone would begrudge a player like TMac getting a decent to very good teammate!
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Originally posted by IV!
It's really not that big of a deal. Once the magic have another poor season, Tmac and his fans will all be pointing fingers at these guys along with the rest of the team.
And why didn't Orlando draft a big man? Magic fans have been complaining about a lack of help in the frontcourt for a while, I thought they would. Maybe they didn't because of Gooden.
Yeah, Orlando should've taken a big man.
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They probably shuld have - but what BIG guys were available at their pick? I think they will go to the free agency and get themselves a BIG man - at least I am hopeful they will.
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Ok, I'm a UK fan, so my opinion is immediatley biased. Read this biased opinion:
Bogans will be on the team, he won't be an All-Star. The best he can become is a solid role player for the Magic. Yeah, he was a great college player, and with Tubby's coaching, he might surprise people defensively. I say this: Bogans won't be anymore than a solid role player. How's that for a biased opinion?
The magic will be better next year. But it will be because of a full season with Gooden and Giricek.
Gaines is a very nice pick.
Bogans, if he makes the team, isn't going to be a huge diffrence maker. He can be a solid player. But it's their other second round pick that is going to help them.
Zaur...ZaZa. The big man. This team needs size. He doesn't even have to possess any skill(though rumor has it, he is actually an excellent player). He just needs to be big. The reason they have problems is because they have no size on that team.
Reece Gaines ,Keith Bogans and Tracy mcgrady
He doesn't have great ballhandling, but he is a good shooter. He was the leading scorer 4 times in the pre-draft camps and went 7 for 12 from the NBA 3 point line in one of the draft camps. He's an athlete for sure, but he sure doesn't show it a lot. He won't be as good as Reece Gaines, but he could be a major contributor.
