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Old 04-19-2008, 09:21 PM   #16 (permalink)
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Get a real power forward. You will NOT win a championship with Rashard or Hedo playing PF.

As much as I love Hedo, and I'm sure all of you do too, would it not make the most sense to trade him this offseason? I mean his value is probably at the highest it will ever go, and no one will want Rashard and his ginarmous contract. You could get a really good PG or PF for Hedo.

Just my 2 cents. I fully expect to get flamed for suggesting that, lol.
Um, Hedo is not going anywhere. It would be RETARDED for us to trade Hedo. The only reason would be if he blatently says he doesn't want to be here or that he intends to sign elsewhere as a free agent. And the logic that we cant keep both him and Rashard because they play the same position is possibly even more retarded, especially coming fresh off of a 52 win season with them both in the starting lineup (amazing how people forget this).

I have thought about this. If we trade Hedo, then who will back up Rashard once we get that "true" PF?? We will have one real SF on the roster w/ NO backup . So why trade Hedo when we can just work with what we have and add depth through the draft to solve our weaknesses. Add in Battie, Vazques(hopefully next year), a good free agent, and a draft pick and we could be legit contenders as early as next year. Hedo has a very reasonable contract, an outstanding skill set, and is our biggest playmaker but we should trade him?? Get outta here. I like the chemistry we have right now and our management would be stupid break that up.

I would be perfectly happy with resigning Evans and Dooling, throwing the MLE at Pietrus and using our first rounder on an aggressive, athletic, rebounding power forward. We can then let Arroyo and Garrity walk and maybe use JJ + a future 2nd rounder as trade bait to find some extra deapth at the PG position. maybe even try and bring in a veteran guy like J will or something.

Our line-up could look something like this:

Nelson, Dooling, J Will
Pietrus, Evans, Bogans
Lewis, Turk
Battie, Draft pick, Cook, Gortat
Dwight, Foyle, Battie, Gortat

I could work with that.
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Old 04-19-2008, 10:12 PM   #17 (permalink)
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a backup SF is about the easiest position to fill, that shouldn't be a concern. Also Turkoglu will demand at least 8 mil a year, that's way too much money to pay for a backup.

I think how Magic does in the playoffs will determine whether one of them gets moved. I don't think Magic get out of the East with this frontline and if you watched the Western playoff games, Orlando would have no chance going up against the beasts from the West.
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So you don't want to trade Hedo, because you'd be left without a backup small forward? LOL.

Mine as well pass up on the borderline star SG/PF you could get for Hedo so you can fill up that all important backup small forward spot.

And yeah Rashard is making ridiculous money, and Hedo will get 8-10 a year.. Thats like 30 million on one position. Good luck with that.
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Are you kidding me man....your acting like Hedo is bum. He is an allstar caliber player and it we be hard for us to get equal value for him in the first place. both him and 'Shard are versatile so between them they can switch up and play the 1,2,3 or 4......If we trade Hedo for a pure PF, that leaves us with two guys who can play two positions between them as opposed to Hedo who can play 4. I'll keep Hedo "the mismatch nightmare", thank you.
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Old 04-20-2008, 08:56 PM   #20 (permalink)
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a backup SF is about the easiest position to fill, that shouldn't be a concern. Also Turkoglu will demand at least 8 mil a year, that's way too much money to pay for a backup.

I think how Magic does in the playoffs will determine whether one of them gets moved. I don't think Magic get out of the East with this frontline and if you watched the Western playoff games, Orlando would have no chance going up against the beasts from the West.

Since when is Hedo a backup SF? Orlando wouldn't be anywhere near where they are right now without Hedo. Outside of Dwight he was easily Orlando's best and most consistent player this year. And took over a lot of the ball-handling responsibilities from our PGs.

Otis will have some tough choices. Rashard can't be traded. But can Shard or Hedo play SG in order to bring in a "real" PF? And do we really need a real PF?

Some logics would say trade Hedo since he is valuable right now and possibly won't duplciate this season ... but IMO that would be a big mistake to trade him just to put together a more "traditional" lineup ... and if he is traded everyone will see that next year when our offense drops and our turnovers increase.
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Since when is Hedo a backup SF? Orlando wouldn't be anywhere near where they are right now without Hedo. Outside of Dwight he was easily Orlando's best and most consistent player this year. And took over a lot of the ball-handling responsibilities from our PGs.

Otis will have some tough choices. Rashard can't be traded. But can Shard or Hedo play SG in order to bring in a "real" PF? And do we really need a real PF?

Some logics would say trade Hedo since he is valuable right now and possibly won't duplciate this season ... but IMO that would be a big mistake to trade him just to put together a more "traditional" lineup ... and if he is traded everyone will see that next year when our offense drops and our turnovers increase.
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I have thought about this. If we trade Hedo, then who will back up Rashard once we get that "true" PF?? We will have one real SF on the roster w/ NO backup . So why trade Hedo when we can just work with what we have and add depth through the draft to solve our weaknesses. Add in Battie, Vazques(hopefully next year), a good free agent, and a draft pick and we could be legit contenders as early as next year. Hedo has a very reasonable contract, an outstanding skill set, and is our biggest playmaker but we should trade him?? Get outta here. I like the chemistry we have right now and our management would be stupid break that up.
Of course the Magic wouldn't be where they are right now without Hedo, but can they go where they want to go with Hedo and Lewis? That's the question right now.

As I said, whether or not either one of them will be moved will determine on this year's playoffs. If it becomes clear that Orlando's frontline just isn't tough enough to compete with Boston and Detroit, then it's not a bad idea to trade Hedo when his value is high.
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Of course the Magic wouldn't be where they are right now without Hedo, but can they go where they want to go with Hedo and Lewis? That's the question right now.

As I said, whether or not either one of them will be moved will determine on this year's playoffs. If it becomes clear that Orlando's frontline just isn't tough enough to compete with Boston and Detroit, then it's not a bad idea to trade Hedo when his value is high.
only reason i even had Hedo coming off of the bench was to show how we could keep Hedo and still make a traditional lineup work, if need be, since that is what alot of people seem to think we need. with him coming off the bench it would work kind of like how the Spurs use Manu, with Hedo coming in as the 6th man but playing starter type minutes.....or we could just slide him down to the 2-guard and start him there with Battie at PF....either way. It really doesnt matter to me as long as we dont trade him.
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Are you kidding me man....your acting like Hedo is bum. He is an allstar caliber player and it we be hard for us to get equal value for him in the first place. both him and 'Shard are versatile so between them they can switch up and play the 1,2,3 or 4......If we trade Hedo for a pure PF, that leaves us with two guys who can play two positions between them as opposed to Hedo who can play 4. I'll keep Hedo "the mismatch nightmare", thank you.
Whooa, I never said or implyed that Hedo was a bum. I like Hedo. I'd keep him over Rashard Lewis all day, if Rashard didn't have that ridiculously unmoveable contract.

I'm just saying, I don't think you can win a title, or even go very far with one of those guys as your PF..

I mean ideally you'd move Rashard for a really good PG/SG.. then sign a guy like Haslem (not even sure if he's a free agent, just an example).. But his contract is just too ridiculous to move him.. So Hedo is the only really good trade bait you have.. Not JJ Reddick, which could fetch you Darrick Martins rights, if your lucky.
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I think SVG should use Hedo as SG, he played a lot SG in San Antonio...Sometimes Lewis can play 2 as well...I dream about getting Jamison and start him at 4, then we could move Hedo to 2 and Lewis would play his natural position. And yes, i am dreaming about Jamison, because it looks like he would agree for a pay cut to play for a contending team and we can sign him for MLE...
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Whooa, I never said or implyed that Hedo was a bum. I like Hedo. I'd keep him over Rashard Lewis all day, if Rashard didn't have that ridiculously unmoveable contract.

I'm just saying, I don't think you can win a title, or even go very far with one of those guys as your PF..

I mean ideally you'd move Rashard for a really good PG/SG.. then sign a guy like Haslem (not even sure if he's a free agent, just an example).. But his contract is just too ridiculous to move him.. So Hedo is the only really good trade bait you have.. Not JJ Reddick, which could fetch you Darrick Martins rights, if your lucky.
Well ya know man, its obviously working so far.
We dont need another star big man, Dwight can take care of most of that.
With our style of offense, we need lean, athletic, shooters.
And I'm thinking Rashard at PF fits that perfectly.
We dont need to get rid of Hedo. That would be absolutely pointless.

How about, We'll give you Hedo for Bosh!!
Sound like a plan buddy? =/
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If the Magic can get Fran Vazquez to come over for the 2008/2009 season they will be close....very close to being able to take the East. He would provide a great back-up 4/5 for a season or two and then a starter after that. He makes free throws, has great length and good athletic ability. He has show a 12-14 foot jumper as well. He wouls give the team some great flexibility with players being able to play multiple positions.
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I think getting Mike Miller back to start at the 2 could help you guys. It wouldn't be the biggest move in the world but it would definitely help.
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