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Considering a much better player in Camby just got traded away for a 2nd rounder, Crittenton isn't going to be worth much more.
Apparently you aren't familiar with the words "different circumstances." I'll throw those on the pile.
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Apparently you aren't familiar with the words "different circumstances." I'll throw those on the pile.


That is all you could come up with after my lengthy post? Questioning my "opinion" on two players with out even giving an opinion of your own? Funny and stupid at the same time.
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That is all you could come up with after my lengthy post? Questioning my "opinion" on two players with out even giving an opinion of your own? Funny and stupid at the same time.
Oh, but I did give my opinion. I typed -- what, 15 words? Dig for it. You'll find it.
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Oh, but I did give my opinion. I typed -- what, 15 words? Dig for it. You'll find it.
Actually you just stated the obvious which is why I was asking myself, why post at all? Just about every trade has "different circumstances". Doesn't change my opinion one bit on how I feel about Camby compared to Crittenton.

The Camby trade makes most people say "What the hell was that?", while if the Magic get Crittenton it will be worthless news since he has basically accomplished nothing in his short NBA career (7 points in 18 minutes a game on a pathetic excuse for a team isn't saying much) and I'm sure if the Magic do get him it will be via part of their trade exception and a draft pick, just like I said in the post you replied to.

Also if you want a better example of Reddick compared to Crittenton then go look at Crittenton's stats for the Lakers. He got about the same minutes as JJ did and averaged nearly 1 point less per game than JJ. Now that is pure potential, LOL! The only reason the Magic are even remotely interested in Crittenton is because he is considered a PG and he is young, meaning he could come in and learn, while hopefully developing around good players. Either way, he will probably get about as much playing time on the Magic as Reddick did last year if he does indeed get traded to the Magic. That is what happens when average players go to good teams. Now I'm stating the obvious.
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Why do you want Crittenton so bad if he isn't worth a damn ?
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Why do you want Crittenton so bad if he isn't worth a damn ?
I'm just following the rumors like every one else. Apparently Crittenton is the odd man out in Memphis and the Magic have expressed interest in him. I have seen that in about 2 or 3 articles. Whether it happens or not, I really don't care. If Otis does bring in a young player like that, he will barely get minutes IMO because Nelson and Johnson will take the majority of them at the PG spot. Only through injury would this kid get major minutes, which could happen and I'm sure is why Otis still wants a 3rd PG.

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Actually you just stated the obvious which is why I was asking myself, why post at all? Just about every trade has "different circumstances". Doesn't change my opinion one bit on how I feel about Camby compared to Crittenton.
Here's your first post.

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Considering a much better player in Camby just got traded away for a 2nd rounder, Crittenton isn't going to be worth much more.
This implies that:

1) IF a 35-year-old center got traded in a salary dump for a second-round pick swap,
2) THEN a 20-year-old point guard on a rookie contract will be traded for less.

It doesn't. Sorry, but Camby getting dumped for nothing has no effect one way or another on Crittenton's trade value. Is every player worse than Camby now going to be traded for less than what the Nuggets got in that Clippers trade? Obviously not.

And considering that was the crux of your argument, this...

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The Camby trade makes most people say "What the hell was that?", while if the Magic get Crittenton it will be worthless news since he has basically accomplished nothing in his short NBA career (7 points in 18 minutes a game on a pathetic excuse for a team isn't saying much) and I'm sure if the Magic do get him it will be via part of their trade exception and a draft pick, just like I said in the post you replied to.

Also if you want a better example of Reddick compared to Crittenton then go look at Crittenton's stats for the Lakers. He got about the same minutes as JJ did and averaged nearly 1 point less per game than JJ. Now that is pure potential, LOL! The only reason the Magic are even remotely interested in Crittenton is because he is considered a PG and he is young, meaning he could come in and learn, while hopefully developing around good players. Either way, he will probably get about as much playing time on the Magic as Reddick did last year if he does indeed get traded to the Magic. That is what happens when average players go to good teams. Now I'm stating the obvious.
...is null and void. And mostly incoherent in the first place. I stopped reading when you spelled your own player's name wrong.


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Here's your first post.

This implies that:

1) IF a 35-year-old center got traded in a salary dump for a second-round pick swap,
2) THEN a 20-year-old point guard on a rookie contract will be traded for less.
Actually THIS was my first post. You just listed my first sentence which implies to me you just tried to read into one part of a post while ignoring the rest of it all together. Pretty common on these boards.

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"Considering a much better player in Camby just got traded away for a 2nd rounder, Crittenton isn't going to be worth much more.

Crittenton hasn't proven jack ****. He has potential, but I could say that about hundreds of different players in the NBA, NBADL, NCAA, High School, Europe, etc. Also if he was so special, the Grizz wouldn't even be thinking about trading him and would be trying to move one of the other 3 PGs they have on their roster.

I personally think the Magic will now use 1.4 million of the 3.3 million trade exception they got from the Nets for Dooling to offer the Grizz, while also giving up either a highly protected future 1st rounder or next year's 2nd rounder for Crittenton."
The bold part is just something I think COULD happen or a variation since that is all I have been seeing in the papers (Bogans name has come up as well). For some reason the Grizz want to dump more salary. Not sure why since they are already plenty under the cap?

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It doesn't. Sorry, but Camby getting dumped for nothing has no effect one way or another on Crittenton's trade value. Is every player worse than Camby now going to be traded for less than what the Nuggets got in that Clippers trade? Obviously not.
Funny. I already said this.

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And considering that was the crux of your argument, this...

...is null and void. And mostly incoherent in the first place. I stopped reading when you spelled your own player's name wrong.
Not willing to read an entire paragraph about past topics with in a thread and talking about a person's spelling when it was a simple error (This = you - "Oh noes. He added one more d into the name Redick so I have no clue as to what or who he is talking about even though there is only one person by that name on the Magic team. And who is this JJ person he speaks of?" :crazy: ) are the words of some one who has lost an argument. Thank you.
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Funny. I already said this.

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Bursting into the thread talking about the Camby trade as if it were any relevant point of reference lost you this argument and made you look like a buffoon.

At this point, you're backtracking and talking about things that are entirely inconsequential to my first response to you.

You: Camby got traded for a second-rounder (actually, a second round swap option), so we should pay less for Crittenton!

Me: Um, that makes no sense. That trade was...under entirely different circumstances.

You: Well, EVERY trade is "different circumstances!"

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JJ Reddick is a sack of ****. He has less value than Brian Cook. No way you can compare him to Critt.

Lakers could offer a better player than JJ for him. The only comparable player to JJ is Morrison who also sucks balls.
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Critt is a very good prospect, he has athleticism and court vision. I don't know enough about him to vouch for the other important traits in an NBA pg (dribbling/passing abilities, defense, length, aggression), but Idunkonyou definitely loses the above debate.
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JJ Reddick is a sack of ****. He has less value than Brian Cook. No way you can compare him to Critt.

Lakers could offer a better player than JJ for him. The only comparable player to JJ is Morrison who also sucks balls.
I agree, that's why I say we ship his *** out......Plus, next year is supposed to be a weak draft compared to this one so we probably wonn't be missin out on anything anyway with that pick..... If we can get lottery type talent in a position of need, for our 12th man and a late pick, and in a weak draft at that......you gotta make this move if your Orlando imo. I was more hesitant to move Bogan's than JJ......I would easily let JJ walk here.
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Why do white players have to be compared to other white players? JJ Redick is nothing like Adam Morrison outside of skin color and their love of Halo.

Magic are in a tough spot with Redick. Other teams know he's not happy here so his trade value got driven down by his complaining. At the same time the teams that really want or need him, think Spurs, Mavs, or Celtics, don't have much to trade back.
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