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**sheefo13** · 07-24-2004, 04:05 PM

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Originally posted by Nevus!
I really don't think Iguodala is that good either. He's a great athlete who plays good defense, but he is not a scorer whatsoever. Some guys are just not scorers and they don't just suddenly become scorers. He's a raw athlete who passes the ball and plays defense. At best, a good roleplayer. It's really hard to be a high-impact player, a star player, at the wing position if you're not a scorer. I just don't see that in him.

And Luke Jackson scored 40 on him in college.

Finally someone sees that igoudala isnt as great as he is advertised. I didnt even see the amazing defense at the summer league games. he looked liek an average defender. He is a stud in transition but he trns the ball over a lot in transition.

**Coatesvillain** · 07-24-2004, 04:27 PM

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Originally posted by Nevus!
I really don't think Iguodala is that good either. He's a great athlete who plays good defense, but he is not a scorer whatsoever. Some guys are just not scorers and they don't just suddenly become scorers. He's a raw athlete who passes the ball and plays defense. At best, a good roleplayer. It's really hard to be a high-impact player, a star player, at the wing position if you're not a scorer. I just don't see that in him.

And Luke Jackson scored 40 on him in college.

Richard Jefferson wasn't always a scorer, and look at him now, he's on the verge of becoming something very special. The very same can be said about Ron Artest who's first few years couldn't hit an open jumper from 10 feet, now look at him, he's an impact player in this league. Jordan wasn't always a good shooter either. My point being is, all bad shooters don't stay bad shooters, if they continue to work on it, it's something that can be corrected. Hey while I'm at it, a certain guy who wears 23 in Cleveland was said to not be able to shoot.

And I see you mentioned Luke Jackson's 40 point showing.. does that mean you want to have a side wager? Same deal as I have with sheefo?

**sheefo13** · 07-24-2004, 06:30 PM

they have somewhat of an offensive.... Igoudala is just nothing compared to them. Do you remember where they were picked compared to where igoudala was picked???they had nothing to lose but igoudala has a lot to prove.

FanOfAll8472 · 07-24-2004, 06:36 PM

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Originally posted by sheefo13!
they have somewhat of an offensive.... Igoudala is just nothing compared to them. Do you remember where they were picked compared to where igoudala was picked???they had nothing to lose but igoudala has a lot to prove.

Yeah I remember. The players mentioned by PhillyPhanatic, with the exception of MJ, were taken lower than Iggy. RJ went around 13, Artest around 15. I don't see your point? They had a lot to lose. RJ had tons of questions around his game. He was basically a slasher and only a slasher. A dunker too, but that goes along with slashing. He had zip outside shot and even today, that hasn't progressed as nicely as his mid-ranged shot, which also had questions regarding it when he came out. Every player has a lot to prove when they come into the league.

**sheefo13** · 07-24-2004, 09:13 PM

rj was traded with 2 other players to the nets for the #3 pick in eddie griffin. artest went to a horrible bulls team with the spotlight being elton brand.

FanOfAll8472 · 07-24-2004, 09:56 PM

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Originally posted by sheefo13!
rj was traded with 2 other players to the nets for the #3 pick in eddie griffin. artest went to a horrible bulls team with the spotlight being elton brand.

I'm pretty sure Griffin was the #7 overall. But how does this relate to Iggy...?

**Nevus** · 07-24-2004, 10:43 PM

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Originally posted by PhillyPhanatic!
And I see you mentioned Luke Jackson's 40 point showing.. does that mean you want to have a side wager? Same deal as I have with sheefo?

Sure, why not? Which stats included? Points, rebounds, assists? Steals?

And I don't just mean that Iguodala is not a shooter... he's not a scorer, at all. He runs the floor and he can finish, but he doesn't have a scorer's mentality. You really can't compare him to Jordan or LeBron coming into the league, guys who could score aggressively. Artest or Jefferson is not a bad comparison though. But how many guys coming into the league like that actually develop into an Artest or Jefferson? I see Iguodala as more of a Boris Diaw. A good player, probably. But how many stars do you see who aren't big-time scorers? Very few.

**Coatesvillain** · 07-25-2004, 05:33 AM

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Originally posted by Nevus!
Sure, why not? Which stats included? Points, rebounds, assists? Steals?

The one with Ebi was points, blocks, steal. But since Luke is more known for his offensive abilities we can do points, rebounds, and assists, or all four... Man wouldn't this suck, if I lost twice?

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And I don't just mean that Iguodala is not a shooter... he's not a scorer, at all. He runs the floor and he can finish, but he doesn't have a scorer's mentality. You really can't compare him to Jordan or LeBron coming into the league, guys who could score aggressively. Artest or Jefferson is not a bad comparison though. But how many guys coming into the league like that actually develop into an Artest or Jefferson? I see Iguodala as more of a Boris Diaw. A good player, probably. But how many stars do you see who aren't big-time scorers? Very few.

Joe Johnson is another name I'll throw out there, who came into the league without a scorer's mentality and last season he developed one. It's something that's possible. I won't lie and say I got to watch a lot of Iguodala during this past college basketball season, but from everything I read he, as well as Lute Olson said he wasn't more aggressive because that simple wasn't his role on the team.

Shawn Marion's the perfect example of a guy who doesn't have a scorer's mentality, but is a star because he gets his points in the flow of the game. Now I'm not saying Iguodala will be a Shawn Marion, nor am I expecting him to be, if he only turns out to be a good player.. that's a great investment with the 9th pick in what was said to be a weak draft.

**BEEZ** · 07-25-2004, 12:30 PM

I have decided not to comment on this any longer because of the obvious inconsistencies in some of the posters' posts in this thread.

**Nevus** · 07-25-2004, 01:27 PM

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Originally posted by PhillyPhanatic!

The one with Ebi was points, blocks, steal. But since Luke is more known for his offensive abilities we can do points, rebounds, and assists, or all four... Man wouldn't this suck, if I lost twice?

Okay, how about all four. Points, rebounds, assists, steals, per 48 minutes

**Coatesvillain** · 07-25-2004, 02:12 PM

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Originally posted by Nevus!
Okay, how about all four. Points, rebounds, assists, steals, per 48 minutes

Sounds great.

**BEEZ** · 07-26-2004, 10:20 AM

This wont be fair to you PP, because Ebi is going to play less that Iggy and if he gets 2 pts 2 rbds 1 assist and 1 steal playing 8 minutes a game and Iggy plays about 20 avg 7 3 3 or whatever Ebi is going to look like the better player. Thats unless I am missing something

**Coatesvillain** · 07-26-2004, 10:29 AM

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Originally posted by BEEZ!
This wont be fair to you PP, because Ebi is going to play less that Iggy and if he gets 2 pts 2 rbds 1 assist and 1 steal playing 8 minutes a game and Iggy plays about 20 avg 7 3 3 or whatever Ebi is going to look like the better player. Thats unless I am missing something

I honestly think if Ebi is capable of getting even that, Sheefo deserves to win.

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