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**Sliccat** · 10-28-2004, 02:17 PM

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Originally posted by PhillyPhanatic!

I really hope that AI would play more like he did in the Olympics, in regards of passing the ball. Also he still has that nasty habit of leaving his feet for almost every pass he makes.

Coming from somebody who watched every Olympic and Exibition game this summer(basketball withdrawal), you do not want that to happen. AI wasn't a good passer at all during the Olympics, he was just unselfish. Every time somebody gave him the ball, he either to an open shot or just passed it back. When Iverson is being agressive, he changes the game more than anybody not named Shaq. The whole team focuses on him, which will be great when he's playing Point because the rest of the team will be moving, instead of standing aside during an iso. And when he gets inside, he draws double and triple teams, which creats passing lanes. We just haven't seen the effect of that yet because its the preseason.

Rayza · 10-28-2004, 05:28 PM

i totally agree with what sliccat said, i think his on point .. but sliccat .. take it ezy with the insults.

the starting 5 will not dictate how philly is going to play for the rest of the season nor who they are going to play with for the 48 minutes. Although this is not the lineup i was expecting, i understand what obrien is doing trying to fire up his players to win the starting 5 job.

KT can't play small forward, he dosent have the atheleticism and the outside range to play that position. He played so well at PF, so why change anything now?

As for iggy starting, I don't really see anything wrong with that. If o'brien think he cant handle startying, he will demote him in the future

But i rather see dalembert starting over marc

**Coatesvillain** · 10-28-2004, 11:41 PM

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Originally posted by sliccat!
1. Benching Glenn Robinson is the best move he could have made. Why was Randy Ayers fired? Because of Robinson. This move does two things:

I don't agree with Big Dog being the reason Ayers was fired, Ayers was in over his head the whole time. If any player did Ayers in (which I don't think was the case) that player was Aaron McKie, Big Dog complaining is something that always happens, McKie complaining isn't.

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If you couldn't figure this out by yourself, commit suicide and improve the human race.

Definitely not necessary to say that.

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a) While Thomas can defend some SF's in short stretches, he doesn't have the ability to play offense or defense from the perimiter, so starting him there would be stupid. The whole reason Glenn Robinson isn't starting is because he doesn't have the speed(or the will) to keep up with half of the SF's in the league. You want somebody even slower than that defending the perimiter?

Kenny Thomas spent his years on the Rockets primarily being a perimeter player, he has capable game on the perimeter. Watching Kenny Thomas on the Sixers compared to Big Dog, I'm not seeing how he's *that* much slower if at all.

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b) The sixers' least deep position is Center. And the only two players they have over 6'10 are in your starting lineup.

I'd actually go to say our shallowest position is PG. Now back to defending my starting five, Jackson would start at the four, but that doesn't mean that's where he'd see most of his minutes, things would shift when players came off the bench.

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c)Aaron McKie was about 5th in 3pt% last year, and you think this starting lineup improves them? Yes he only hits open shots, but that's all he needs to make, and more than you can say anybody in your starting lineup has proven they can consistently do.

If you want to talk about slow, then Aaron McKie is definitely your guy, he's a shell of himself and shouldn't be starting. Why do you point slowness and inability on defense as a reason for Big Dog not starting but not McKie? Both can spot up and shoot, Big Dog is a better post-up player, they're also both stopgap players. He had a great year considering everything going on with his body, but if anyone expects him to give a repeat performance of last year's three point shooting they're reaching just a tad.

Also, I'm sure Allen Iverson can do a little bit more than him, and he's in my starting lineup.

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4) Three day ago you were all riding O'Brien's nuts. Now he makes a decision he is more qualified than any of us to make, and he's stupid and overrated. This is why Larry Brown left(and why you all had to watch him win a championship the next year

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I don't think anyone was riding his nuts, some people (like myself) like him, and others (like HKF) aren't as fond of him. I think people called the move stupid, not O'Brien. The thing though, is that's why we're here, that's why we're fans, our job is to second guess, discuss, hand out praise, what have you. At the end of the day, we can complain about him not starting Sammy and Willie, but the only two people who can make O'Brien change his mind are Sammy and Willie, we know that, we're just doing our part.

Larry Brown left town (after his longest stint at any pro step, mind you) because he grows tired of the same scenery. He left and went to a team that was a contender, they made a trade and won it all (sounds so much like Francona and the Sox it's scary).

Since you weren't so fond of my starting lineup, I'd love to see what you would put together.

**HKF** · 10-28-2004, 11:47 PM

Oh great, a new boorish Philly fan. YAY.

**BEEZ** · 10-29-2004, 04:44 AM

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Originally posted by Hong Kong Fooey!
Oh great, a new boorish Philly fan. YAY.

I 2nd those sentiments

**Sliccat** · 10-29-2004, 01:16 PM

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I'd actually go to say our shallowest position is PG.

People who can play(and have played) PG:
AI
Ollie
Salmons
Green

People who can play(and have played) C:
Dalembert
Skinner
Jackson

Hmmm...

On a side note, why they didn't just resign Hamilton, who's much cheaper, and capable at doing what Skinner will, is beyond me. Or they could have signed them both incase Jackson and/or Dalembert gets injured.

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Oh great, a new boorish Philly fan. YAY.

Oh great, another guy too slow to actually argue my points. It's like you who keep me feeling good about myself.

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i totally agree with what sliccat said, i think his on point .. but sliccat .. take it ezy with the insults.

Sorry, but negativity annoys the

out of me. You don't know how many (middle aged white) people I cursed out during the Olympics.

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If you want to talk about slow, then Aaron McKie is definitely your guy, he's a shell of himself and shouldn't be starting. Why do you point slowness and inability on defense as a reason for Big Dog not starting but not McKie? Both can spot up and shoot, Big Dog is a better post-up player, they're also both stopgap players. He had a great year considering everything going on with his body, but if anyone expects him to give a repeat performance of last year's three point shooting they're reaching just a tad.

1) I don't expect Aaron McKie as a long term starter like Robinson would be, and neither does O'brien, he's already said that. However, Robinson's lack of defense comes from a lack of effort, which will not be missing from Mckie in the regular season(same with Korver), and lots of effort can easily make up for whatever he's lacking. He's also a better passer than robinson, and as long as he sinks his open shots, he'll be okay in this offense.

2) Unlike Mckie, Robinson's offensive game doesn't fit really well with this offense. Robinson is an inbetween shooter in an inside-out offense, and he stagnates the offense whenever he has the ball and is the focus of the offensein half-court, unless he's hot. So unless he learns to sacrifice his game a little bit and become a quick shooter or passer, he'll be a detriment to the team, which is why I think benching him is a great test to see where he is. Besides, this team is so deep at the SF with capable players they could not play him at all and not lose much.

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Since you weren't so fond of my starting lineup, I'd love to see what you would put together.

What it should eventually be?

In order of rotation from starter:

C: Samuel Dalembert, Marc Jackson, Brian Skinner
PF: Kenny Thomas, Brian Skinner, Cloriss Williamson, Marc Jackson
SF: Glenn Robinson, Kyle Korver, Cloriss Williamson, ANdre Iguadala, John Salmons, Aaron McKie, Kedric Brown(wow they're deep)
SG: Willie Green, Andre Iguadala, Aaron Mckie, John Salmsons, Kyle Korver, Kedric Brown
PG: Allen Iverson, Aaron Mckie, Kevin Ollie, John Salmons, Andre Iguadala, Willie Green

Keep in mind that this is what I'm hoping for in January, and I agree with the starting lineup now, except that I think it should be Korver at Small Forward.

**HKF** · 10-29-2004, 01:20 PM

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Originally posted by sliccat!

Oh great, another guy too slow to actually argue my points. It's people like you who keep me feeling good about myself.

Hopefully, you'll calm down for a moment and actually type out your full sentences. You forgot the word "people" I inserted it into your post, to help.

I am just saying, you're new here and you're already acting incredibly rude. No need to be rude while making your point. Another person already asked you to chill on the insults. That's all anyone really wants.

**Coatesvillain** · 10-29-2004, 05:44 PM

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Originally posted by sliccat!
People who can play(and have played) PG:
AI
Ollie
Salmons
Green

People who can play(and have played) C:
Dalembert
Skinner
Jackson

Hmmm...

If you're talking about guys you can throw out at a position, then sure we're deeper at PG, but I'm not comfortable at all with Willie Green running point for any extended amount of time on the other hand I feel more comfortable starting the three centers we have.

My projected line up with Big Jack, wouldn't have him logging a ton of minutes there, I just think you can only go so far with K9 at the PF.

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On a side note, why they didn't just resign Hamilton, who's much cheaper, and capable at doing what Skinner will, is beyond me. Or they could have signed them both incase Jackson and/or Dalembert gets injured.

There's two ways too look at the Zendon situation, either he decided to test the waters, or Billy King blew it two consecutive summers with an under the radar big man. Zendon didn't have a ton of talent, but I liked how he out worked any player you put him up against, and he had a positive impact on the rest of the team. Right now he's injured (not sure how bad it is) but when he gets healthy, he has a chance to play a big role for the Bucks.

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Sorry, but negativity annoys the

out of me. You don't know how many (middle aged white) people I cursed out during the Olympics.

Trust me you're not the only one in that boat, you should've seen the things in the Olympics here. We had a good amount of people defending the players. I think negativity is good, because if it was all rosey despite my mostly optimistic outlook, I wouldn't be able to stomach it.

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Keep in mind that this is what I'm hoping for in January, and I agree with the starting lineup now, except that I think it should be Korver at Small Forward.

I'm fine with the current starting lineup if he has guys like McKie playing 15-20 minutes a night, because he loses his effectiveness past that. I'm stuck at the starting block with grabbing the concept of McKie starting, because he was definitely out performed in the preseason. I'll just hope that Willie Green follows up and outworks Aaron and becomes a starter.

**Dakota** · 10-31-2004, 06:04 PM

I would really love to see a lineup like this during the season. They don't neccesarily have to start the game, or even finish it, but I believe that this group can do much damage to any team they play in the Eastern conference.

PG- Iverson
SG- Iggy
SF- Korver
PF- Thomas
C- Dalembert

I have no clue why Jackson is being promoted over Dalembert in the first place. Is it because Jackson is outplaying Dalembert in the preseason? Okay, that's the preseason. Dalembert proved what he can actually do last year, and what he is capable of, but did Jackson? No. Jackson has never been a consistent while he has played for us, so what makes O'Brien think that he will be consistent this year? I'm not sure.

Does anyone else think Korver is going to average 10+ this year? I do. He has the ability to hit 3 treys every single game, so it doesn't even matter if he plays that many minutes, because it won't effect his shot. He can come right into a game and just light up the court. It's amazing sometimes to watch him.

As for Iggy, well I love what he brings to the table. I just love his athleticsm on the court. My thoughts are that he will get adjusted to the NBA quicker because of it.

Regarding Iverson, well I like the position we have put him in. The Sixers have always revolved around Iverson, so I don't think putting him at the PG position is that much of a change. He doesn't have to wait for anyone, E.Snow more or less, to pass him the ball anymore. He can just see a spot and go towards it. He defiantly will have more turnovers I'm assuming, but if this change starts working early, then I don't think O'Brien will have any problem with that stat.

**Sliccat** · 11-01-2004, 05:35 PM

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Does anyone else think Korver is going to average 10+ this year? I do. He has the ability to hit 3 treys every single game, so it doesn't even matter if he plays that many minutes, because it won't effect his shot. He can come right into a game and just light up the court. It's amazing sometimes to watch him.

I don't think he'll get 10 ppg because it seems like O'Brien is running him as the third SF and SG, which won't give him more than 15-20 minutes, and he won't consistently get 10 ppg like that. It's probably the only thing I've disagreed with O'Brien on so far

hobojoe · 11-01-2004, 07:21 PM

Well, this just about goes to show that I was completely wrong about almost everything having to do with the Sixers coming in. I thought Iguodala would have very little(if any) impact right away, or even this season. I thought Dalembert would start, and if any other frontcourt player was starting other than than Dalembert and Kenny Thomas I would've thought for sure it would be Brian Skinner. Glenn Robinson's not going to see the floor as a Sixer again, which is a good thing for Philly. Let's just hope I wasn't wrong about one more thing, which is Philly taking the Atlantic Division.

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