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02-25-2005, 03:10 PM
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Re: If Mashburn is healthy next year, the 76ers will be a title contender.
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Why do you hate O'Brien so much? I think that he is a very good coach.
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Don't even get me started on how bad of a coach Jim O'Brien is
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02-25-2005, 05:11 PM
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Re: If Mashburn is healthy next year, the 76ers will be a title contender.
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Don't even get me started on how bad of a coach Jim O'Brien is
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I want to hear.
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02-26-2005, 12:12 AM
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Re: If Mashburn is healthy next year, the 76ers will be a title contender.
If Mashburn ever plays over 15 games again Ill shave my entire body and run around LSU with Basketballboards.net written across my ***...
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02-26-2005, 01:27 AM
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Re: If Mashburn is healthy next year, the 76ers will be a title contender.
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I want to hear.
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He does everything wrong.
That about sums it up.
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02-26-2005, 07:53 AM
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He does everything wrong.
That about sums it up.
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Well he must be doing something right if he led the Celtics to two playoff appearences and got them to the Eastern Conference Finals in one year and the Semi-Finals in another. And WILL lead the 76ers to a playoff birth this year.
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02-26-2005, 11:05 AM
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Re: If Mashburn is healthy next year, the 76ers will be a title contender.
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Well he must be doing something right if he led the Celtics to two playoff appearences and got them to the Eastern Conference Finals in one year and the Semi-Finals in another. And WILL lead the 76ers to a playoff birth this year.
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Um the years with Boston Paul Pierce and Antoine Walker lead the team to the playoffs, O'brien had little to do with it. As for this year you have to be blind or stupid not to see that AI is the only reason why the Sixers are even in contention for the playoffs. It looks like AI calls all his own plays out there and O'brien just does nothing.
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02-26-2005, 11:41 AM
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Um the years with Boston Paul Pierce and Antoine Walker lead the team to the playoffs, O'brien had little to do with it. As for this year you have to be blind or stupid not to see that AI is the only reason why the Sixers are even in contention for the playoffs. It looks like AI calls all his own plays out there and O'brien just does nothing.
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Well, if it just his players, as you are saying, then Shaq and Kobe were the reasons why the Lakers won those Championships and Phil had nothing to do with it.
The coach has something to do with it, whether they win the Championship, or finish last, the coach always helps that cause. He may not help the team much, or hurt it, but he does do something.
And if it all AI, then why couldn't AI get the 76ers into the playoffs last year?
And also there were alot of teams in the East with better players than the Celtics in 2002, but they didn't get to the Eastern Conference Finals, now did they?
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02-26-2005, 11:48 AM
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Well, if it just his players, as you are saying, then Shaq and Kobe were the reasons why the Lakers won those Championships and Phil had nothing to do with it.
The coach has something to do with it, whether they win the Championship, or finish last, the coach always helps that cause. He may not help the team much, or hurt it, but he does do something.
And if it all AI, then why couldn't AI get the 76ers into the playoffs last year?
And also there were alot of teams in the East with better players than the Celtics in 2002, but they didn't get to the Eastern Conference Finals, now did they?
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I'll make it quick.
He doesn't have a clue about what to do in offense. He just let Paul and Antoine shoot threes and run a slow half-court set where there was no motion or cutting. Hence the name, "Obie" ball. Plus, O'Brien is very reluctant to change his coaching methods to fit the teams offensive style and often won't play young players in favor of older, less athletic, and overally worse veterans. Also, Dick Harter was the only reason that the Celtics' had somewhat of a good defense back during 1999-2001?.
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02-26-2005, 11:49 AM
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Well, if it just his players, as you are saying, then Shaq and Kobe were the reasons why the Lakers won those Championships and Phil had nothing to do with it.
The coach has something to do with it, whether they win the Championship, or finish last, the coach always helps that cause. He may not help the team much, or hurt it, but he does do something.
And if it all AI, then why couldn't AI get the 76ers into the playoffs last year?
And also there were alot of teams in the East with better players than the Celtics in 2002, but they didn't get to the Eastern Conference Finals, now did they?
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Maybe he didn't carry them to the playoffs last year because he was injured almost the entire second half of the season.
When Obie was in Boston, his style of play worked, jack up as many 3s as possible. Boston had 3pt shooters, Philly doesn't. He doesn't give anyone (except for a select few) regular minutes, players never know if they're going to play, he's crushed the confidence of several players, and plays the players he likes instead of the players that are good
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02-26-2005, 12:35 PM
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I'll make it quick.
He doesn't have a clue about what to do in offense. He just let Paul and Antoine shoot threes and run a slow half-court set where there was no motion or cutting. Hence the name, "Obie" ball. Plus, O'Brien is very reluctant to change his coaching methods to fit the teams offensive style and often won't play young players in favor of older, less athletic, and overally worse veterans. Also, Dick Harter was the only reason that the Celtics' had somewhat of a good defense back during 1999-2001?.
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Who can control Antoine throwing up threes?
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Maybe he didn't carry them to the playoffs last year because he was injured almost the entire second half of the season.
When Obie was in Boston, his style of play worked, jack up as many 3s as possible. Boston had 3pt shooters, Philly doesn't. He doesn't give anyone (except for a select few) regular minutes, players never know if they're going to play, he's crushed the confidence of several players, and plays the players he likes instead of the players that are good
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He may not be a great coach, but he certainly is a serviceable coach. He must be doing something right to still have a job, right? Billy King isn't that stupid.
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02-26-2005, 12:36 PM
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Re: If Mashburn is healthy next year, the 76ers will be a title contender.
Hey remember when this thread was about that one guy...
Uhhmmmm...?
Jamal...
MASHBURN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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02-26-2005, 12:38 PM
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O'Brien is a pretty good defensive coach, but his complete nonplan on offense, and his wrecking of lineups makes him an average coach in my mind.
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02-26-2005, 06:19 PM
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And Mashburn will be an asset next year as an expiring contract as well.
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He will only be an asset if Philly is a good team, and intends to take on a longer contract.
Bad expiring contracts are only assets to good teams that are willing to extend there future payroll liabilities.
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