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Old 03-09-2005, 05:19 AM   #31 (permalink)
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I was wondering all year why the Kings decided to run their offense through Webber instead of Bibby and Stojakovic, when the latter was so much more successful last year. Well, now I know. They were padding Webber's stats to try to convince a team to trade for his terrible contract, and it worked. Brilliant move by the Kings.
webber does not have a terrible contract...he is still a top5 power forward in the league. when you see allan houston contract i don't know how people complain about it but they do. when you see penny (excuse me anfernee) and tim thomas blatantly stealing money from the knicks, you realize those are the real terrible contracts son.

one question though, how the hell can you pad stats as the leader of a 50+ win team in the west? who was taking shots in the clutch this year? that's right cwebb was. but according to YOU, he was padding stats! they lost to the bobcats after he left, but its "just padding stats". wonderful and unbiased commentary my friend! maybe instead of how you were thinking it was going down (which is usually wrong!), petrie said "blow it up" since they WERE NOT going to win a title; what with bobby jackson always injured, peja crying, rick adelman coaching...guys just not focused enough on the goal. so petrie just said "f!ck it" and threw caution to the wind. now the contracts he has, he can deal one-by-one in order to start rebuilding.

and another thing. quit being such a smug capitan when you post. i really don't think you don't know enough about the game as it is out on the court to come off with such a tone. financially you are all good knowledge wise, but nba ball is about more than contract size and dollars paid. gotta keep your mind open to new knowledge. that is all.
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Old 03-09-2005, 05:19 AM   #32 (permalink)
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Re: What happened to Webber?

He will need time to fit into the new system...but it doesn't look good for him right now...
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Old 03-09-2005, 05:42 AM   #33 (permalink)
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Re: What happened to Webber?

Philly are only something like 2 games down from 8th seed, so it`s not like they are out of the running already

but yeah, lost by 20 at home today... against Golden State
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Old 03-09-2005, 07:12 AM   #34 (permalink)
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Re: What happened to Webber?

webber has been one of the least efficient scorers in the league for a while now. that's even with a decent fg%, because he doesn't draw any fouls. when his fg% plummets, it's a disaster.

when the trade happened, that's one thing i wondered - webber's been an inefficient scorer, and now he's going to a situation where he will have more focus on him with less weapons around him - how will he suddenly become more efficient? well, it's gotten worse.

obviously, it's early, and he'll get better. but it's unclear what he's bringing to the table there. philly needs to adjust. they brought webber in, now they have to find a way to get the most out of him. they can't just plug him in an make him play in their system. they were banking on having a 2nd star to give them a chance in the playoffs (or to make the playoffs), now they have to show some faith in their 2nd star and give him a chance to sink or swim. if he sinks, they're done anyway, and the trades a disaster.
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Old 03-09-2005, 07:45 AM   #35 (permalink)
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Re: What happened to Webber?

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webber does not have a terrible contract...he is still a top5 power forward in the league.
What? You don't think he has a bad contract? At his age and health he has 80 million left on a 4 year deal. You have got to be kidding. That is why the Kings had a tough time trading him.

And Webber may be top 10 in PFs but he is not top 5.

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Re: What happened to Webber?

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Nothing. Kings system makes their big men look a lot better than they actually are. Webber,Miller, Divac, etc. Not with the sixers system. Webber is too old, he's not going to be that effetive when the ball is not in his hands..
And what system do the sixers have? Iverson get ball. Iverson jack up shot from any part of the court. Iverson miss shot a lot more times than he make it. END OF SIXERS SYSTEM.
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Old 03-09-2005, 08:52 AM   #37 (permalink)
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Re: What happened to Webber?

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What? You don't think he has a bad contract? At his age and health he has 80 million left on a 4 year deal. You have got to be kidding. That is why the Kings had a tough time trading him.

And Webber may be top 10 in PFs but he is not top 5.

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You could make the case that Elton Brand is better right now.
New Webber is a point guard. Quasi triple-double Stats: 16, 6, 6.
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Re: What happened to Webber?

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.... AI just makes players around him bad...
Wow, you really need to think about what you say before you say it. Iverson makes his teammates so much better because he draws so much attention and he is a good passer, why do you think Korver has done so well this season. Iverson gets all of his teammates open shots and is a leader. I'm hearing a lot of people blame this on Iverson, when he doesn't deserve the criticism. One person said the Sixers system consists of Iverson just jacking up shots from random spots on the floor, when it is far from that. Actually I'm just going to make a new thread
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Old 03-09-2005, 02:52 PM   #39 (permalink)
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Re: What happened to Webber?

I love AI, but my answer to this whole dilemma comes from not what AI or Webber said. It comes from Kenny Thomas, who said that he enjoys playing in a system where one guy doesn't handle the ball all the time. Basically he is saying I like playing somewhere that I can be involved with the ball instead of one guy ballhogging. AI is great player no doubt, but if guys don't like playing with him what good is it if you are the best in the world.
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Old 03-09-2005, 02:52 PM   #40 (permalink)
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Re: What happened to Webber?

Webber definitely isn't as bad as he is looking right now. Whatever the greater problem is, a big part of it for the moment is him just being off. Regardless of how much better it was in Sacramento, he shouldn't miss so many easy wide open shots.

The idea that the Kings were trying to make him look better before the trade could be true to an extent, I guess, but I have trouble thinking the other players would go for that. The Kings did pretty good record wise for "just trying to make Webber look good".
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