I have never said or wrote that this only happens in Detroit.
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The point is that Pistons fans made a name of themselves across the world that they are violent and classless. Not Philly fans, not Indiana fans, DETROIT fans.
I don't care if you didn't say that these things happen in other places, my problem is with you saying Detroit fans are classless. I'm a Detroit fan and I'vde been to plenty of games where an incident hasn't happened and I haven't been in any myself.
I'll just agree to disagree with you. I'm tired of the issue anyways, I've been talking about it since the beginning of the year. If you want to generalize Pistons fans, go ahead. I'll just continue to be a "violent and classless" Pistons fan.
I don't care if you didn't say that these things happen in other places, my problem is with you saying Detroit fans are classless. I'm a Detroit fan and I'vde been to plenty of games where an incident hasn't happened and I haven't been in any myself.
I'll just agree to disagree with you. I'm tired of the issue anyways, I've been talking about it since the beginning of the year. If you want to generalize Pistons fans, go ahead. I'll just continue to be a "violent and classless" Pistons fan.
You have not read a word of what I have been saying. If you did then you wouldn't be trying to defend yourself so much. Read carefully without a bias point of view, just read the words. I have never attacked any Pistons fan that did not do something stupid in an NBA arena. I didn't generalize you, but you apparently want to think that because it's easier to blame a single person for your own deficiencies. I said the rest of the world generalizes you and you have to deal with it because of the actions of a few of your fans.
I agree. Me and Kunlun seem to be on the same side regarding this issue. We're not generalizing everyone, but no one should find it weird that Pistons fans are being generalized. We're just saying that something needs to be done about this because 1) it's just wrong and 2) it hurts the image of Pistons fans everywhere. Pistons fans need to stop feeling discriminated and accept that the security and the organization needs a little improve with handling it's fans.
What more can security do? Ban coins? A coin was thrown and the fan was arrested. Simple as that. Nobody is saying Detroit fans are blame free, I will admit that we will always be seen with a negative label attached but there is no reason to drag this out and attack the sane fans like you're doing. Kunlun, you are far too upset over this than you should be. I would find it hard to believe if Allen Iverson was as offended as you are about the whole situation. It's been dealt with.
What more can security do? Ban coins? A coin was thrown and the fan was arrested. Simple as that. Nobody is saying Detroit fans are blame free, I will admit that we will always be seen with a negative label attached but there is no reason to drag this out and attack the sane fans like you're doing. Kunlun, you are far too upset over this than you should be. I would find it hard to believe if Allen Iverson was as offended as you are about the whole situation. It's been dealt with.
If you've read any of my posts, I have not attacked any fan that was not involved with these incidents. And I'm not so upset that Allen Iverson was hit a by a coin, I'm upset because the Pistons fans refuse to understand anything that I say, they just completey disregard it and continue to defend themselves when they havent been attacked in any way.
What more can security do? Ban coins? A coin was thrown and the fan was arrested. Simple as that. Nobody is saying Detroit fans are blame free, I will admit that we will always be seen with a negative label attached but there is no reason to drag this out and attack the sane fans like you're doing. Kunlun, you are far too upset over this than you should be. I would find it hard to believe if Allen Iverson was as offended as you are about the whole situation. It's been dealt with.
Executives of The Pistons and the Palace have lots of time to think about what to do with the situation. They weren't able to contain those idiots last time, I'd like to see them put an effort and inform the public, and the league about it. I'm not blaming Detroit fans either, but it's good that you understand that when one of you guys does something, the sick society generalizes the entire fanbase.
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Allen Iverson doesn't think that all Pistons fans should get a bad name for something that one person did.
A fan hit the Sixers' guard in the back with a quarter in the closing minutes of the Sixers' eventual 99-84 loss to the Pistons in Game 2 at The Palace of Auburn Hills Tuesday.
The man, 31-year-old Dennis Pauley, was arrested and faces two misdemeanor charges - one for being in a seat for which he didn't have a ticket and the other for throwing an object onto the playing surface. If he's convicted, he could face up to 90 days in jail and a $500 fine.
"The guy threw the quarter," Iverson said. "Basically, the fans did all the work, honestly, just pointing out the guy that did it. As far as the fans, it makes all of them look bad as a whole. It shouldn't. It's just one or two (jerks) that make everybody look bad.
"I don't think those people in that arena that came, paid good money to see the game and enjoyed themselves, should be punished or talked about in a negative way because of something one (jerk) does. It was just those one or two people, and that's that. I didn't have no problems with those fans up until that point. I don't expect anything else to happen."
Asked if he had seen the man's tearful apology on TV, Iverson said he had not seen it, but said an apology does mean something to him.
"Yeah, it means a lot," he said. "It goes a long ways with me . . . All I can do is accept his apology, and I do."
The Palace was, of course, the site of the ugly brawl back in November where members of the Indiana Pacers went into the stands and fought with fans after one of them hit Pacers forward Ron Artest with a cup. Players and fans were charged in the ugly surreal incident.
Iverson said he knew he had been hit with a coin, because he heard it and actually saw it on the floor.
"I knew what it was, I just didn't know who threw it,' he said. "I was just thinking, like, what if we would've won the game. Honestly, how would they have reacted if we won the game? That was the only thing that shocked me. We had already lost the game. I was like, `What's the sense of doing that?' What are you upset for, you're supposed to be happy as anybody in that gym."
Sixers forward Chris Webber was seated next to Iverson when it happened, and he thought it was particularly childish of the fan, particularly with everything that has already happened at the arena.
"We weren't upset enough to do something stupid, but it was just real childish, why grown folks would throw a quarter and stuff like that, that's all I felt," Webber said. "Besides that, just glad it wasn't something more serious."
Sixers coach Jim O'Brien and team president Billy King were pleased with the way things were handled at the arena. King said they already have a zero-tolerance policy at the Wachovia Center, so no adjustments are needed for tonight's Game 3.
"I think that the Detroit security and police acted promptly and professionally and swiftly, and I called Tom Wilson, the (Pistons') president and told him that and complimented them on the job they did," King said. "I think with Allen and Chris, the way they handled it was how you should handle it."
Said O'Brien: "Any time that anything is tossed in any game, whatever the game is, out of the stands, it's very, very dangerous, it's uncalled for. If you catch the person, they should be prosecuted because some very, very bad things can happen. Luckily 99 9/10s of the fans in the world are very even-keeled."
ALLEN IVERSON felt an initial sense of shock, then wonderment as he first felt something hit him in the back, then heard the object as it landed on the floor of the Palace of Auburn Hills, then saw that it was a quarter.
The 76ers guard was sitting on the bench, next to Chris Webber, watching the last 2 minutes of Tuesday night's loss to the Detroit Pistons when a fan - sitting, no less, in a seat for which he did not have a ticket - threw the coin.
"I was thinking, what if we had won the game?'' Iverson was saying yesterday after lengthy preparation for tonight's Game 3 of their best-of-seven NBA first-round playoff series. "How would they have reacted if we had won the game? That was the only thing that shocked me. We had already lost the game. I'm, like, what's the sense of doing that? What are you upset for? You're supposed to be as happy as anybody in that gym.''
And, no, it didn't cross Iverson's mind to scoop up the coin and keep it.
"I don't think that would have been a good-luck coin,'' he said.
The only luck Iverson had during the 99-84 loss that left the Sixers down 0-2 was that he wasn't injured by the coin. But he did draw virtually universal praise for the calm, collected way he handled the situation. In turn, Sixers president/general manager Billy King contacted Tom Wilson, the president and CEO of the Palace of Auburn Hills and the Pistons, thanking him, his security staff and the Auburn Hills police for acting "promptly and professionally and swiftly.''
Sadly, the isolated incident created flashbacks to the Nov. 19 brawl in the arena between Indiana Pacers players and fans that led to a series of fines, suspensions and court dates. The Pacers' Ron Artest was suspended for the remainder of the season.
"Allen handled it the way Ron Artest should have handled it,'' Wilson told the Detroit Free Press.
Dennis Pauley, 31, was arrested and subsequently released. The Free Press reported that Pauley had had his driver's license suspended for substance-abuse convictions. Pauley was charged with being in a seat for which he didn't have a ticket, and for throwing an object onto the playing surface, both violations of local ordinances. The misdemeanor offenses carry penalties of up to 90 days in jail and a $500 fine if he were to be convicted. Pauley's friend, Michael Roberts, 26, was charged with being in a seat for which he did not have a ticket.
In a bizarre twist, Pauley, reportedly abandoned by friends after the game, is said to have walked 6 hours from the Auburn Hills Police Department to a bus stop in Southfield.
Pauley made a public apology, which, Iverson said "goes a long way with me.''
"If he didn't apologize, what do you say about him then?'' Iverson said. "All I can do is accept his apology, and I do.''
Iverson gave a statement to the police after the game, but said, "Basically, the fans did all the work, just pointing out the guy that did it.''
"It makes [all Detroit fans] look bad as a whole; it shouldn't,'' Iverson said. "It's just one or two [deleted] that make everybody look bad. I don't think those people in that arena that came, paid good money to see the game, should be punished or talked about in a negative way. It's just that one or two people, and that's that.''
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Pistons fan pleads guilty to throwing coin at Iverson
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A Pistons fan pleaded guilty to throwing a quarter that hit Allen Iverson during a Detroit-Philadelphia playoff game in April.
Dennis Pauley, 31, of the Detroit suburb of Taylor, faces up to three months in jail and a $500 fine when sentenced Sept. 1 for the city ordinance violation. He pleaded guilty Wednesday to throwing an object onto a playing surface, the court said Thursday.
The judge dismissed a second charge against Pauley -- a city ordinance of occupying an arena seat without permission -- at the request of the prosecutor for the city of Auburn Hills, where The Palace of Auburn Hills is located.
Police said Pauley tossed the quarter late in the fourth quarter after he and a friend moved to better seats.
The guy was an idiot. Glad to see he pleaded guilty and will deal with the sentence he is given. He better be lucky that he didn't throw a quarter at Ron Artest.
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