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SixersFan3 · 07-10-2005, 11:45 AM

How about adding John Salmons into the starting lineup if we don't fill our need for SF/SG. I mean at least give him a chance and start him for 10 games and see how he performes. He performes well in summer league games so I say give him a chance for around 10 games and see how he performes. I think he has potential to be a 12ppg 5 rpg and 3 assists per game with alright defense.

**Coatesvillain** · 07-10-2005, 12:23 PM

Give him a chance? He's played every year since he's come here, and he's not any better than he was in his rookie season?

Here's just an example of something, John Salmons started 8 games last season here were his numbers from those starts:
25.8 MPG, 4.9 PPG, 3.1 RPG, 3 APG, 1.3 SPG

Those are the prototypical numbers of a reserve player. Also he disrupts the flow of the team, by stopping the ball when he gets it. I think instead of looking for fixes at SG/SF we have to understand if they don't add anyone to start, there's a great chance this team will be watching the playoffs.

**Sliccat** · 07-10-2005, 07:39 PM

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Originally Posted by PhillyPhanatic

Those are the prototypical numbers of a reserve player. Also he disrupts the flow of the team, by stopping the ball when he gets it. I think instead of looking for fixes at SG/SF we have to understand if they don't add anyone to start, there's a great chance this team will be watching the playoffs.

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The sixers don't need a starter at SG/SF, that's so irrelevent it's not worth mentioning.

The point isn't who starts it's who plays the minutes. I would bench Iggy for Korver if it came to it, because Korver creates an offensive atmosphere. What we need is for someone to play 25 min. at SF and 8 at SG. Korvers problem isn't that he can't start, it's that he shouldn't EVER be playing 30 min a game. When Korver's out there, teams will give AI a layup before leaving him.

As for Salmons, I think he easily has the ability, and he is comming up on a contract year, so I think he'll be motivated, but there are two problems:

1. He has an asthma problem.

2. He defers too much. When he's on the court with bench riders, he's fine, and really aggressive. But when on the court with AI or Webber, he doesn't want the responsibity of having the ball.

Again, I'm hoping the contract year will erase the latter problem.

**Coatesvillain** · 07-10-2005, 07:54 PM

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The sixers don't need a starter at SG/SF, that's so irrelevent it's not worth mentioning.

The point isn't who starts it's who plays the minutes. I would bench Iggy for Korver if it came to it, because Korver creates an offensive atmosphere. What we need is for someone to play 25 min. at SF and 8 at SG. Korvers problem isn't that he can't start, it's that he shouldn't EVER be playing 30 min a game. When Korver's out there, teams will give AI a layup before leaving him.

If Kyle Korver is the starting SF next season, this team is in trouble. It doesn't matter who starts when you have a surplus in talent and have a player capable of exceeding the starters production while coming off the bench (i.e. Ben Gordon in Chicago last year). The Sixers don't have that luxury as of right now, and the free agency crop is drying up rather quickly.

What the Sixers need is someone who can play both the 2 and 3, is capable of creating his own shots, as well as hit the long ball. My dream would be for the Sixers to acquire Mickael Pietrus but that won't happen.

Also about Korver's minutes, you aren't breaking ground, I've been saying that practically all season.

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As for Salmons, I think he easily has the ability, and he is comming up on a contract year, so I think he'll be motivated, but there are two problems:

1. He has an asthma problem.

2. He defers too much. When he's on the court with bench riders, he's fine, and really aggressive. But when on the court with AI or Webber, he doesn't want the responsibity of having the ball.

Again, I'm hoping the contract year will erase the latter problem.

Thing with Salmons for all intents and purposes last season was a contract year as well, because the Sixers could have chosen not to pick up his option for this season.

Salmons problems are he slows the ball down and overdribbles, is slowfooted, like you mentioned he's passive, also he has an inconsistent jumper. He is what he is.

Mattjb34 · 07-10-2005, 07:57 PM

I'd like to see like to see Korver get like 20 mpg and Salmons get 15 mpg at the same position (probably SF). When Korver comes in, we know what were getting: perimeter scoring to keep the D honest, hustle, heady plays. Salmons brings different things that doesn't really show up in the stats. He handles the ball w/o excessive TO's usually. The team plays significantly better D b/c the pressure he can put on the ball with his athleticism. I thought Salmons was a good pickup when we got him but he's never progressed offensively. As some1 showed, his PPG are low, he doesn't shoot a very good percentage either, he really looks uncomfortable out there.

**Kunlun** · 07-10-2005, 10:49 PM

Salmons has the skills to play, but he lacks the aggressiveness to be consistant in the league and you have to be consistant to start or do well in the league. I've been hoping he would be the solution at small forward or shooting guard for so long now, but I don't think he will ever get it together. I'm still keeping a little bit of hope though.

**Coatesvillain** · 07-11-2005, 08:19 AM

Only one more thing about Salmons, if you're still waiting for a player to put it all together after they spent four years in college and three in the NBA, you're just waiting for a dissapointment. If you can't become something in seven years after high school, it's practically over for you.

Also if we want to talk about John's summer league performances, his last time out was his worst time as Willie Green was clearly the Sixers best summer leaguer. I know to some, it might seem like I'm being overly negative, but people have to notice Green, Korver, and Salmons are reserves on good teams. Platooning Korver and Salmons at the SF isn't something that will help this team.

Look at the SFs on the playoff teams in the East from last year:
Miami - Eddie Jones
Detroit - Tayshaun Prince
Boston - Paul Pierce
Washington - Antawn Jamison
Bulls - Luol Deng
Pacers - Stephen Jackson
Nets - Richard Jefferson

Let me go a little further..
Cleveland - LeBron James
Milwaukee - Bobby Simmons
Orlando - Grant Hill
Charlotte - Gerald Wallace
Atlanta - Marvin Williams
Raptors - Jalen Rose
Knicks - Tim Thomas

The Eastern conference represents 63.4% of the Sixers schedule, and looking at those players, the Sixers with a platoon of Salmons and Korver would be at a disadvantage just about every single night. Simply because this team isn't talented enough to cover a hole that big in the starting lineup, and succeed.

Mattjb34 · 07-11-2005, 08:53 AM

I agree, not to be argumentative but I was just using that idea as the best possible option we have with our current personnel. Obviously, Korver nor Salmons is as good as most, if not all, of those listed. Together maybe you can get a decent avg. from that position. Maybe like 14 ppg. 6 boards and a couple assists from the SF or SG slot while not sacrificing defense as much.

P.S. Do the Wiz really play Jamison at the 3 spot? Just seems a little out of his realm.

**Kunlun** · 07-11-2005, 09:03 AM

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P.S. Do the Wiz really play Jamison at the 3 spot? Just seems a little out of his realm.

Yeah, he starts at small forward for them I think, but he plays the power forward position in games too.

Dizmatic · 07-12-2005, 11:15 AM

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Originally Posted by PhillyPhanatic

Only one more thing about Salmons, if you're still waiting for a player to put it all together after they spent four years in college and three in the NBA, you're just waiting for a dissapointment. If you can't become something in seven years after high school, it's practically over for you.

Also if we want to talk about John's summer league performances, his last time out was his worst time as Willie Green was clearly the Sixers best summer leaguer. I know to some, it might seem like I'm being overly negative, but people have to notice Green, Korver, and Salmons are reserves on good teams. Platooning Korver and Salmons at the SF isn't something that will help this team.

Look at the SFs on the playoff teams in the East from last year:
Miami - Eddie Jones
Detroit - Tayshaun Prince
Boston - Paul Pierce
Washington - Antawn Jamison
Bulls - Luol Deng
Pacers - Stephen Jackson
Nets - Richard Jefferson

Let me go a little further..
Cleveland - LeBron James
Milwaukee - Bobby Simmons
Orlando - Grant Hill
Charlotte - Gerald Wallace
Atlanta - Marvin Williams
Raptors - Jalen Rose
Knicks - Tim Thomas

The Eastern conference represents 63.4% of the Sixers schedule, and looking at those players, the Sixers with a platoon of Salmons and Korver would be at a disadvantage just about every single night. Simply because this team isn't talented enough to cover a hole that big in the starting lineup, and succeed.

Glad to see that someone other than me thinks Salmons stinks. Every SF listed above is much much better than him. Not even close, even Marvin Williams who hasn't played a official NBA game yet. I'm shocked the Sixers still think he will turn it around and "find his game".

lafever8 · 07-12-2005, 11:35 AM

wasnt salmons the MVP of the summer leagues? it amazes me how someone with that amount of skill can be MVP. heck, i bet even i would be a pretty decent player in the summer leagues.

**kamego** · 07-12-2005, 11:39 AM

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wasnt salmons the MVP of the summer leagues? it amazes me how someone with that amount of skill can be MVP. heck, i bet even i would be a pretty decent player in the summer leagues.

A NBA bench player playing well in the summer league isn't a new concept. Diop even looked good last summer league. With that being said, I still think the summer league is Europe level games and not just anyone could play in it.

lafever8 · 07-12-2005, 11:52 AM

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A NBA bench player playing well in the summer league isn't a new concept. Diop even looked good last summer league. With that being said, I still think the summer league is Europe level games and not just anyone could play in it.

so that means if AI goes and plays in the summer league he'll average like 60 points a game, 5 rebounds, 15 assists, 5 steals, and .5 blocks a game.

**Coatesvillain** · 07-12-2005, 04:06 PM

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Originally Posted by kamego

A NBA bench player playing well in the summer league isn't a new concept. Diop even looked good last summer league. With that being said, I still think the summer league is Europe level games and not just anyone could play in it.

I wouldn't say that, maybe some of the lower leagues over in Europe sure, but I think even the average leagues are better talent wise than the summer leagues.

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