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First things first, one season? Did you even read it? It has CAREER in big, bolded letters, and I even have every season he has played listed there. Before you reply to the post, you should actually read it. Also, saying that it is not enough shots is wrong; it is very, very obvious that when he shoots more, the Sixers win more. If it wasn't enough difference in shots, why is the win percentage so durastically different?

As for the "only referring to shots" comment, well, how about this; I'll add on to that post and see total shots attempted, turnovers and assists, and see how the percentages come out. I'll be finished by the end of today or sometime tomorrow.

Well, until it happens, we shouldn't really say it's taking its tole, because as of right now, it isn't.

TomDeFiore

The logic is inherently flawed in my opinion. Why doesn’t Iverson take every shot than? We should win every game. Also as he shot more the team got better, in terms of bringing in different players I don’t think it got better because Iverson shot more. While I can’t stand Larry Brown, he did do a good job, of getting the most out of the team, and giving the 76ers the best chance of winning. Now if I understand your post correctly you are saying that over an 82 game stretch the 76ers would go about 52-30 if AI were to shoot 30 or more shots. Or at least his career numbers would indicate that. If I’m wrong I am sorry. Even if we assume that is correct, if that’s the best we can do with Iverson were not going to win a championship. We’ll be an all right team. But not of championship caliber. This is nothing personal against AI, I only want the 76ers to become the best team they can. In my opinion, again I could certainly be wrong, they would be a better team without Iverson.

Coatesvillain

This is a great topic, and one that has to be touched on sooner rather than later for Sixers fans (since the longer the team waits, the worse shape they'll be in). The major question is.. will Allen Iverson win a championship as the first scoring option? The answer is no. As we know, as long as he's on the Sixers he'll be the first option especially considering the core of players the Sixers have around him.

With the goal being to win a championship, teams have to eventually let go of players who have meant a ton to their progress as an organization to make that next step. That's a move that loses fans sometimes, but a lot of times it's neccessary for the greater good of the organization.

I've held the belief for a while that if the Sixers don't win the championship this year (which is reality) it's time to move Iverson. The longer you wait, the less you'll get in return for him.

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I Dont Understand how any of you can sit there so Boldly and say that like ya'll are Mrs. Cleo or some crap let me ask you something did we make it to the Finals with Allen Iverson as the first scoring option? The answer is yes. We did not have anybody else on that team that really stood out from what he have now besides maybe Mutumbo. If we got there once we can get there again. and if we can get there we sure as hell got a shot at winning. So from now on it would be better off if yall said "Your Opinion is No" Instead of Flat out saying it aint gonna happen bc thats garbage Also if the Sixers were to trade Iverson it would be the downfall of our Organization Especially if it was for Darko and RIP ity: who thinks otherwise

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Coatesvillain

That year the Sixers had a great team around Allen Iverson, but the fact of the matter is the team didn't win the title. Close doesn't count in the NBA, close gets coaches fired, or forced out of their jobs.

I find it amusing how people can easily come out and say that other players can't win championships as the #1 option offensively, but if you suggest the same for Iverson they're up in arms. I don't get that.

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In 2001, yes we made the finals, but I mean we were at best the 5th best team in the league. We haven't seriously competed for a title in 20 years. Since the days of Dr. J and Moses. That’s exactly what I’m talking about. In my opinion the team might be ok with Iverson but will never seriously contend for the title. I mean I can;t imagine this current team getting anywhere near the level those teams were. I’ve heard from various sources, such as people with “inside information” calling in on 610 or daily news live that other teams consider us a joke. You know with the style of game we play with Iverson. Again I can’t vouch for the accuracy of this but that is just what I heard, take it for whatever you like. Again I want to make this clear I have nothing against the guy, my opinion has nothing to do with his supposed bad rep, it’s just in my opinion trading him would be best for the team.

Blazer Freak

I have to agree with this, and I have been thinking about how the Sixers are gonna fix this team once AI is gone.. And I've said to my friends, if teh 76ers don't get deep into the playoffs then they got to get rid of AI or else, like you said his value can only go down..

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The only damn reason you got a championship right now is because Ai made Larry sick to his damned to hell stomach.

Do you think with Larry's illness, and Ai's stuborn attitude a title is going to head your way?

You should be glad, we didn't do that trade it was a stupid rumor and it wouldn't have helped both teams.

Unless you wanted a scoring title back then, in which case, I'll give you Keith Van Horn or something.

True that statement means nothing as Keith is no longer part of the 76ers' but what I am saying is that the Piston's wouldn't have the power or strength it has now if they had acquired Allen Iverson.

I'll say this much, if your willing to accept Iverson, then give us Billups, and 2 first rounders.

Yea the Kg trade basically, only your not giving your big man tandem, but instead replacing it with an acceptable point guard.

He'll be around during the uncertain future, and we need all the players that can play at that age as we can get.

Vermillion

Damn man, I agree WHOLEHEARTEDLY.

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"If you've ever seen Iverson play in person, you know that his improvisational skills are amazing. Baron Davis calls him unguardable. He's a killer on the fast break. One on one, even one on two, when the guy they call the Answer is on a one-way trip to the basket, you better just foul him. People can hate all day about the number of shot attempts. But, damn, give him props for even getting them up. He's small enough to have every shot contested. That 39% shooting sounds terrible to the regular reader, but have you seen these NBA players lately?"

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TOP 5 FAVORITE PLAYERS: Allen Iverson, OJ Mayo, TJ Ford, Chris Paul, Carmelo Anthony
OTHER FAVORITES: Adam Morrison, Samuel Dalembert, Rajon Rondo, Caron Butler, Emeka Okafor, Marcus Camby, Kyle Lowry, Andre Iguodala, Thaddeus Young, Joakim Noah, Tony Parker, Brandon Roy, Michael Beasley, DJ Agustin, Stephen Curry, Tyreke Evans, Brandon Jennings, Earl Clark, Tyler Hansbrough

lw32

I have to disagree with you here. Iverson could win a championship as the first option on offense, but not with the supporting cast that the Sixers have put around him. Honestly, who could you see being the first option on offense above Iverson? I can think of maybe 5 players in the League. If Iverson was put around a solid supporting cast with a legitimate 2nd offensive option I see no reason why he could not be the 1st option and win. For example, if Iverson was traded to Detroit for Rip Hamilton and Darko (as stated earlier) he would be the 1st option on offense over there no question. The difference between that team and the team the Sixers have would be the role players and supporting cast. Every position would be an upgrade over what the Sixers have.

I have to disagree that Iverson can't win a championship as a first option, because with the right supporting cast it's possible. It's unlikely that he'll ever win a championship, true (and pretty definite if he stays in Philly), but that does not mean he can't be a success first scoring option if surrounded by the right players.

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TomDeFiore

I have to disagree with the lack of supporting cast. We can argue about how good the current cast is forever, but to me there’s a little more to it. I mean he’s been here since ’96, and during that time the 76ers have had almost everybody in the NBA at one time or another (an exaggeration.) We have gone through complete roster changes. None of them have worked out. I mean how many people do you want him to play with? After awhile you have to ask yourself, “Where does the problem really lie?” To me the answer is Iverson but again that’s just my opinion. Yeah I know we made it to the finals, but as I said before we were at best the 5th best team in the league, not really a title contender.

Sixerfanforlife

Better then '96 isn't it?

lw32

The Sixers have never had a low-post threat, nor another player who could score 20 points a game. Tim Thomas, Keith Van Horn, even Chris Webber are all jump shooting big men. We have not had a legitimate post guy who was worth 20 points night in night out.

If we had the supporting cast of the Pistions, minus Hamilton and Darko do you not think Detroit would have a real possibility of winning the championship?

The complete roster changes the Sixers have gone through have not been with solid players. Chris Webber is the biggest name the Sixers have brought in, since '96 but he is past his prime and is more of a jump shooter now. We have had Mutumbo, Van Horn, Thomas, Robinson, Hughes and more but none (besides Larry, who delivered last year) have been dissapointments or past their prime. And it's not as if they didn't succeed only in Philly, none have done anything outside of Philly either.

Sure, there are player's I'd want to lead the team over Iverson. But he is not a bad first option, and you can't say that the Sixers have had a championship-caliber supporting cast. Even the time the Sixers got to the Finals, that supporting cast was not great.

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Sixerfanforlife

No but it was sufficent, and this young core of players should they learn will be sufficent now and years to come.

Louis Williams was the best point guard to come out of that draft, and secretly dominated the high school level and is going to remind you of Kobe Bryant.

I mean look at the stats here people, he averaged 27.6 ppg, 6.5 rpg, not to mention 4+ APG as well, not to mention the team went 103-16 in one season with him starting at the one.

And you mean to tell me he is a bust?

Short-term he may be, or he may be not, but from what I read and saw, Louis Williams was the best choice available then, and he was when Milwaukee had the first overall draft pick, Williams (Marvin) Nor Andrew Bogut will ever dominate the game better then a Louis Williams.

The 76ers never had a low scoring threat? What about Toni Kukoc, his outside shot was often then, but during the 01' season he had plenty of showings in the low post, I would've love to have kept his outside shot, rebounding, and size in the city of brotherly love.

If anything the only thing you stated right was the fact that Iverson isn't a bad first option, but let me tell you something untill Louis Williams develoips the way I know he can, he won't be a good first option, he'll be there only option on offense for the next 5 or 6 yrs.

Glenn Robinson dissapointed us but that was on his own accord, last year he was quite sucessfull and would've been more sucessful this year had he not be denied by coach O'Brien.

Him Along side Dalembert, Motombo, Webber, And Hunter is a formiidble Front court that wouldn't have been mistaken had it come true.

Kenny Thomas didn't dissapoint last year, let me remind you in a game against Chicago he posted up 19 pts and 12 boards, that was a practic double-double, okay sure they sucked that year, but they had potential and was difficult to rebound on.

He would've fared far better if not for O'Brien, have of the players we had last year there talent was reduced, or other wise destroyed because of Jimmy.

Are you going to tell me Kevin Ollie sucks? Well he's old yes, but again Jimmy O'Brien didn't give him any playing time, as a matter of fact, he had Dale Davis calabar minutes in Detroit, which will most likely see the bench throughout the course of the season.

Chris Webber is the biggest Name? Well I forgot that the sixers' organization wasn't just a team, it was a business. Otherwise I would've stated that names are not part of a sport activitie.

Actually regardless of the activitie, it's still just a name Chris Webber is a SF I'll admit that, yes he shoots more jumpers then he does back down, but when he does back down he'll create chances for himself and his team mates and that'lll make a sixer team that's going to attack the paint fairly often alot more better.

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SixersFan

After last season my answer is not yet.