[Fairsportsfan]

Thanks Coatesvillain for the stats, for some reason my computer won't show them. I would love to see you post the leauge leaders results if you are able to please. And i love the fact that you guys also got Carney i think he was the steal of the draft and will do well in Philiy

[ATLien]

That's awesome Louis Williams is doing good. Where does he fit in the rotation when the season begins?

[Sixerfanforlife]

NBA thoughts:

Louis Williams: 8 turnovers, 5 turnovers, 7, then a nice game of 3 when his team was at full strength...It seems to me we really can't blame Louie for his mess ups, it looks more like coaching errors. Louie has shown an ability to get around the rack and score at will. And as for the fan that said he probably can't average 27 PPG in the NBA, in the 18 and under Olympic play, he averaged 27. Olympic and NBA are two different things. Overall I like that he got time, dissapointed at the turnovers. And it glares directly at the coaching staff.

Rodney Carney: He's been the most impressive during the summer leagues, showing me he was more then a athlete. He's shown he has a jumper, he can penertrate, and he can get above or under the rim. His game is more developed then Iguodala, but these 2 will create havoc defensively.

Steven Smith: Rebounds the ball well, scores at an even pace and gives us great hustle. He'll likely make the rotation on a team re-commited to the defensive end. (So Billy King says A LA Andy Reid with the running game)

Edin Bavacic: Shooting seems to be his greatest strength, but he's also reportedly very intelligent in the NBA game. His 20/10 statline is great. Granted this is all Summer-league stuff, but even the littlest of things are signifcant. He might make the roster.

Bobby Jones: Although a good defender, his already injury-history in the NBA tells me he needs to be developed, send him, Williams and Smith to Roanoke immediately.

[Coatesvillain]

Originally Posted by Sixerfanforlife

NBA thoughts:

Louis Williams: 8 turnovers, 5 turnovers, 7, then a nice game of 3 when his team was at full strength...It seems to me we really can't blame Louie for his mess ups, it looks more like coaching errors. Louie has shown an ability to get around the rack and score at will. And as for the fan that said he probably can't average 27 PPG in the NBA, in the 18 and under Olympic play, he averaged 27. Olympic and NBA are two different things. Overall I like that he got time, dissapointed at the turnovers. And it glares directly at the coaching staff.

Rodney Carney: He's been the most impressive during the summer leagues, showing me he was more then a athlete. He's shown he has a jumper, he can penertrate, and he can get above or under the rim. His game is more developed then Iguodala, but these 2 will create havoc defensively.

Steven Smith: Rebounds the ball well, scores at an even pace and gives us great hustle. He'll likely make the rotation on a team re-commited to the defensive end. (So Billy King says A LA Andy Reid with the running game)

Edin Bavacic: Shooting seems to be his greatest strength, but he's also reportedly very intelligent in the NBA game. His 20/10 statline is great. Granted this is all Summer-league stuff, but even the littlest of things are signifcant. He might make the roster.

Bobby Jones: Although a good defender, his already injury-history in the NBA tells me he needs to be developed, send him, Williams and Smith to Roanoke immediately.

Don't read too much from the stats.

[Sixerfanforlife]

I don't really, but I am hopeful, give me that bit of peace if you will.

Off-Topic: How many of us think Andy Reid will ACTUALLY commit to the running game. I say NO. Because he doesn't have the assests to do it with.

[Coatesvillain]

Originally Posted by Sixerfanforlife

Off-Topic: How many of us think Andy Reid will ACTUALLY commit to the running game. I say NO. Because he doesn't have the assests to do it with.

The Eagles will never be completely committed to the run, because Andy Reid has always been a pass first guy so the run/pass ratio will never be 50-50. It'll probably be 40-60, or 45-55, no more 20-80.

The Eagles have a solid RB core, they just need a fullback, I'm not too enthused with Thomas Tapeh and Josh Parry battling it out for that job.

[Sixerfanforlife]

Here's where we disagree: The NFL is getting bigger badder, in particular the NFC east. I don't think Small-backs are gonna suceed with defensive teams like the Redskins. Even the Cowboys got better (slightly) in that area. With the 45th pick in the draft, LENDALE WHITE (6-4) was available to us. While Reggie Bush gave you yards, Lendale White was the big threat for the trojans in terms of getting into the endzone. A big-back like Lendale White would be great for Donovan McNabb. Just imagine him with Vince Young.

[Coatesvillain]

Originally Posted by Sixerfanforlife

Here's where we disagree: The NFL is getting bigger badder, in particular the NFC east. I don't think Small-backs are gonna suceed with defensive teams like the Redskins. Even the Cowboys got better (slightly) in that area. With the 45th pick in the draft, LENDALE WHITE (6-4) was available to us. While Reggie Bush gave you yards, Lendale White was the big threat for the trojans in terms of getting into the endzone. A big-back like Lendale White would be great for Donovan McNabb. Just imagine him with Vince Young.

I'd rather have Brodrick Bunkley and Winston Justice than LenDale White. The two play positions that are infinitely more important than runningback.

Big running backs are overrated, a lot of the guys who get the tough yards are smaller more compact players. For example look at Tiki Barber, despite the fact the Giants had Brandon Jacobs as the big back, but Tiki Barber handled the whole load including most of the short yardage carries.

It's not the size of the player, it's the talent and willingness to make the play.

[Sixerfanforlife]

So is that implying guys like Edgerrin James and Jerome Bettis were useless to the Colts and Steelers when they were contenders?

[Coatesvillain]

Originally Posted by Sixerfanforlife

So is that implying guys like Edgerrin James and Jerome Bettis were useless to the Colts and Steelers when they were contenders?

Find where I implied that, and I'll give you rep points.

I'm saying big backs in general are overrated, two of the best backs of all time Emmitt Smith and Walter Payton by today's definition would be smaller backs but they were extremely tough in the short yardage game. Not everyone has to be the size of Christian Okoye to move the pile.

Look at Warrick Dunn who only weighs 180 lbs. and yet is one of the better short yardage guys in the NFL. Why is that? He has one of the NFL's better fullbacks in Justin Griffith leading the way for him (ironically Griffith is one of the smaller FBs in the NFL). Also you must remember that it's more than just the runner it's the offensive line, and the fullback as well who help him do his job.

[Mattjb34]

Guys can't run through holes that are not there. Thats why Winston Justice was the right pick. It is a lot harder to find a guy that can protect your QB's blindside than find a big back that will never get any use in this offense anyway. Moats and Westbrook are good backs. I get pissed off like everyone else when they throw the ball on 3rd and 1 but you take the bad with the good. Coates is right about a 60-40 ratio will be the most run oriented you will ever see this team. It doesn't have anything to do with the NFC East getting bigger or meaner because you can't hit what you can't catch, and Moats and Westy in the open field is very hard to catch.

[Coatesvillain]

Don't want to take this too far off topic, so we can take it to the Eagles forum..
http://www.basketballboards.net/foru...play.php?f=385

Not as many people post there as here (sad, really) but we can get it jumping.