Griddy

so much for Webber not havin defense?

Yet Elton dominates in Webbers absence. as well as bum *** Rasheed Wallace.

Who's to blame now? Webber?

DieSlow69

This game has nothing to do with Webber playing defense. THE FACT IS ...WEBBER IS A ZHITTY DEFENDER!!! . I know you love the guy but he can't move and he barely gets up and down the court. I dont know what I'm going to do when A.I. cant get up and down the court, but I'm not gonna close my eyes and totaly believe its not happening. Face it WEBBERS DONE!!! WHY YOU THINK NO ONE ELSE WANTS HIM(besides his big azz contract). Don't think I'm just hating on webber because I was one of the ones on these boards and in real life braggin about us getting Webber. But after seeing that he cant move or defend. Man I would give webber up in a sec. If we didnt have to continue to pay for his contract I would waive him. Bottom line he is nothing more than a role player now. He deserves 26 min and thats it. Just my opinion

P.S. As I was saying in the Sixer vs Detroit game thread this team looks terrible without A.I. The offense is horrid which is giving detroit easy lay-ups and more offensive opportunities. Detroit's throwing up bricks to. They just got on in the 4th and ran away from us. But the first 3 quaters was an ugly game and we were still in it.

Melo's Answer

ME ME ME Ill blame him, Like either one of those guys wouldnt of done the same thing to webber on the court come on lol your even kidding yourself. Heres the key why we lost to detroit ALLEN FN IVERSON didnt play. We only lost by 10 thats tells me we should of won if he played.

Also i wanna comment on the box score, I saw it said Webber DNP-lower back stiffness....when in reality it should say.....


Webber DNP-I wanna pout on the bench like a 2 year ol girl sickness

The funny thing is its actually helping us unlike he prolly expected.

Yes we lost our last two games, but LAC we should of won nothing webber would of done to change that, and we lost to detroit bc Allen didnt play

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Griddy

Lol @ this non sense.
A lost is a ****in' lost.
stop with the excuses.

That's like me sayin'. Oh in that case since we only lost by under 10 points in the Pacers, Nuggets, and Raptors games that you can't "count" those.

every team is SUPPOSED to win. No matter the record. A game is a game and you play it for the VICTORY.

cuz if u look at like that PACERS, SUNS, NUGGETS were SUPPOSED to win right?

being that they are considered "better" teams bc of previous records in the past seasons right?

I hate the way people find excuses to blame Webber. Just face the ****in' facts. This team is in a quagmire as a whole. Dalembert is confused. Iguodala needs to score more. We really need a new PG. Ollie is OKAY but come on. The bench needs another spark player. Webber is NOT the reason for it all.
Yes, he's been playin bad, but If you watch the games, like I do youwould clearly see that he doesn't even get the ball enough to become a problem.
So wtf.

Jizzy

So we have Webber who's disgruntled and wants more minutes but is at the cost of the team when he plays. Then the coach limits his minutes and despite the poor record, the team seems more cohesive. Then we have AI who is saying we need Webber out there so we have a 'chance to win'. Bulletin for AI, you haven't won with Webber playing. Keep him out. This is more of AI's and Webb's relationship then on court play, me thinks.

Then you have Iggy who's offense is nowhere to be found. Sammy, who's on and off. Green turning into a chucker. Kevin Ollie playing extended minutes. And Mo Cheeks as a coach. Mess indeed.

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Melo's Answer

My point was not say we should of won games here and there My point was Webber could not of helped us in any of those games as a matter of fact we prolly would of done worse. You made the post like Webber was so good that he would of shut down Brand and Sheed when in reality he would of prolly given up even more points. If you think it is more detrimental to this team to miss webber from a game then it is Iverson you are out of your damn mind and im wasting my time talking to u

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jpk

Griddy kinda has a point that Webber probably could help by giving him some time in the 4th. A guaranteed benching isn't really helping anyone, the team or the player. We have NOT looked great in the fourth quarter and I think it's more to do with Mo Cheeks style (unable to adjust) than with Webber. Last year the team also stunk in the 4th, so I lay the total suckiness in the 4th quarter more on Cheeks than Webber. Webber is still a decent rebounder and at least can create some semblance of an offense.

But his defense is horrendous, he's glued to the hardwood. He's a decent 1:1 post defender still, but his team defense is non-existent right now.

Griddy

i would NEVER sit here and try to say Webber's defense is superb or near where id like it to be.
BUT i will say the team as a whole defense sux. and it terrible when webber is blamed for everything.

i mean just look at dalembert. YES, he gets blocks but his AWARENESS is TERRIBLE on the court. the paint is ALWAYS available with him in the game bc of his dumb decisions. Hes like that non basketball playin tall guy u pick to take up space and block shots at the playground. i mean he does contribute and all but his defensive decisions.

look at his stats since Webber was out. how can people say it's webber fault? people never look at the other ****. this is what im sayin'. its' amazin

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Coatesvillain

The paint is available because no one on the perimeter moves their feet to stop penetration. It's like they expect Dalembert to make up for their defensive lapse and he's not that kind of player and he never will be.

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Sliccat

I think he's saying that if the defense doesn't get any better without webber in the game, and it does get better offensively, then its worth it to have him in the game, which is a valid point. Honestly, Webber is a bad defender, but if he's our best, there's really no reason to play him less. He's being made a scapegoat for this team's struggles, and it's not fair to him.

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Sliccat - Yeah, I think that is a valid argument.

DieSlow69

Yeah its a valid argument in Sliccats defense but Griddy is not thinking in the same logic. He seems to think Webber does no wrong and is not the reason at times Dalembert and the whole team for that matter has to make stupid decisions on defense. Webber is terrible and has been terrible offensively and defensively so far. He isnt doing zhit on offense so far, so to say to leave him in for his offensive threat and to hell with the defense dont make no sense to me. Most of his jumpers are flat and dude is only getting 10 pts a game tops. I'm not blaming everything on Webber but he is who I'm screaming at every single game so far this season. and I have watched every game I not saying this from a standpoint that I'm not watching every game. I watch the entire game and would be in here posting but its usually no one here(but that's besides the point). Bottom line to me Sliccat your saying I'm blaming Webber for everything but Griddy won't even say anything negative or say the obvisous about Webber.