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Old 02-13-2007, 02:43 PM   #76 (permalink)
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Re: Post-Iverson Iguodala Stat-Tracker

All this is nice, but on a better team, I think his stats would take a significant drop. He's a really good third-best player, but I don't know if he's anything more than that on a good team.
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All this is nice, but on a better team, I think his stats would take a significant drop. He's a really good third-best player, but I don't know if he's anything more than that on a good team.
I always said he wasnt a go to player, but a Strong 2nd option type.
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I don't think he's really a second option either, more of a 14-17 ppg guy on a great team that focuses on his complete game.
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I don't think he's really a second option either, more of a 14-17 ppg guy on a great team that focuses on his complete game.
People said the same thing about Shawn Marion, and Shawn Marion has proven to be a legit #2 guy. I think it's the same situation with Iguodala.
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I don't think he's really a second option either, more of a 14-17 ppg guy on a great team that focuses on his complete game.
He shown an aggressiveness since AI has been gone that hadnt been there which no doubt has helped his confidence. You havent said or shown why he would be a 3rd option type guy?
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He shown an aggressiveness since AI has been gone that hadnt been there which no doubt has helped his confidence. You havent said or shown why he would be a 3rd option type guy?
Because he's too submissive of a player. He's shown aggressiveness because he's one of the few players on the team that's good offensively. That would tone down with some more prolific players. Plus, he can focus on other things, unlike alot of scorers.
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Because he's too submissive of a player. He's shown aggressiveness because he's one of the few players on the team that's good offensively. That would tone down with some more prolific players. Plus, he can focus on other things, unlike alot of scorers.
So hes only showing aggressiveness because hes good offensively? That doesnt make alot of sense to me, hes always been good offensively so why didnt he show that offensively before? He had shown hints of it while AI and Webber were here, he needed confidence which he has now and he knows he can get his shots while getting others involved. So please explain a little better, when you say he can focus on other things.
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So hes only showing aggressiveness because hes good offensively? That doesnt make alot of sense to me, hes always been good offensively so why didnt he show that offensively before? He had shown hints of it while AI and Webber were here, he needed confidence which he has now and he knows he can get his shots while getting others involved. So please explain a little better, when you say he can focus on other things.
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Because he's too submissive of a player. He's shown aggressiveness because he's one of the few players on the team that's good offensively. That would tone down with some more prolific players. Plus, he can focus on other things, unlike alot of scorers.
This league is about confidence, if you don't have any faith in your game, any player will look submissive on offense. Once he found his aggressiveness he started to gain confidence and that lead to many positive things. I think that nobody expects him to be a 30 PPG player for the future, but that doesn't mean he can't be a first option.

But I agree that to be a legit first option, he needs to work on his jumpshot in the summer. If he does that I don't see any reason why he couldn't be the go-to-guy. He caught fire now that he sees he can change games, he is willing to learn and ready to work.

I believe that the "old" Andre Iguodala is gone and he will stay in that aggressive mode not only until the end of this season.
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I read it and my post stands. Nice post croco
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Of course it doesn't make sense, that's why I never said it. He's become more aggressive because the 1 and 2 offensive options left. Put them back in the line-up, and he's the third scorer again. Same goes with any combination of 2 big 20 ppg scorers. Iguadala has such a great all around game, that it would be natural for him to be the one to take a back seat; he has many other routes to go and still be just as effective. He could be a second scorer, but not on a championship caliber team. I don't see him being go to guy for any great team.

His confidence hasn't grown, so much as he's been forced into a position where he needs to score more. Take him out of that position, and he won't. It's pretty simple, really.

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He probably will be for a while so long as he stays with the sixers. But a first option scorer? I don't see it. The only way he's averaging 20 with a really good team is if they run a phoenix type offense.
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His confidence has grown though, it's hard to argue against that. Sure his stats have gone up because he's forced to take on the bulk of the offense, but that doesn't account for how he's dealt with the added defensive attention.

I mean I don't like to stress it but look at his body language and how he carries himself, he's more comfortable on the court than he was in the past. I also believe the fact that the team is playing respectfully with him scoring is a positive sign, that means what he's doing means more than if he was scoring a ton and the team was losing.

I mean he's been more aggressive not only in finding his own offense (since his scoring has still be mostly within the flow of the game) but in getting others involved.