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How can u miss 18 in a row that is terrible the only reason he should do that is if he was having a bad shooting night with his left hand. He can play but there are no excusses for that.
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03-04-2004, 12:18 PM
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More like 25 and 10 if he wanted to.
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That's really rare. Who was the last player to average 25ppg and 10apg?
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03-04-2004, 12:19 PM
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Maybe Tiny Archibald.
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03-04-2004, 12:28 PM
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Maybe Tiny Archibald.
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He did it in 1972-1973 averaging 34ppg and 11apg!
There may others, but not many.
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03-04-2004, 12:31 PM
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The Big O had to have done it. Oscar had five 30 10 seasons.
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03-04-2004, 12:35 PM
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I don't think he's declining and breaking down as much as he is just tired right now. Tired in body and spirit. The losing and the coaches have had a negative effect on him.
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http://msnbc.msn.com/id/4432854/
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03-04-2004, 12:37 PM
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He averaged 23 and 7.5 his rookie year.
He's doing 27 and 6.6 this year.
Surely playing point on a team with a touch more talent he could hedge closer to a 25 and 10 year.
Stephon Marbury is doing about 20 and 10 this year.
25 and 10 might be a stretch. Especially in today's NBA. But I just thought 15 and 10 was very low for Iverson. Unless he's playing point for the Lakers or Spurs I don't see his ppg dropping that much and his apg only rising by 3-4.
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03-04-2004, 12:45 PM
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That's such a terrible article. I couldn't even read it all the way through. Lines like "Allen Iverson is a sissy" tend to lose one his credibilty as a proffessional.
And what's funny about the trouble with coaches is that it is trouble with Chris Ford, because Ford is auditioning for his next job, not doing anything for the Sixers, and Iverson knows it. Iverson didn't want Ayers fired. That was Big Dog Robinson and Aaron Mckie. Iverson was made Ayers got fired and even more mad that he wasn't even told about it before it happened.
And then Chris Ford comes in and starts pulling his ego trip, and now the Sixers are going to hell in a handbasket. I can't even watch their games anymore. I used to love watching the Sixers. But Iverson is rarely playing this year, the team around him has no heart save for Dahlembert, and sometimes Snow. It's all very sad and pathetic. Who knew that bringing Big Dog Robinson on your team automatically doomed your fates. But that's what has happened.
Do you think Robinson ever gets sick of going to teams and ruining them? I don't. Where's the professional pride? I don't know if there's a bigger loser.
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03-04-2004, 12:51 PM
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2 of freakin 21..... 
You've got to be kidding me....he doesn't show up to support his team when injured, and then he comes back and shoots 21 shoots, while making 2. Iverson has been putting up some nice assist numbers, but he still shoots the ball way too much.
And his injury isn't an excuse for this kind of crappy performance. Either
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03-04-2004, 12:57 PM
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This guy who wrote this article obviously hates Iverson. Iverson is so overrated he lead a team to the finals that had no real 2nd scorer and was the only team to actually beat the Lakers that year, oh yea he won the MVP that season. Iverson gets 27 points and 6.6 assists a game and leads the league in steals but I guess all Michael Ventre can see is the 39% shooting, which shows he has a personal vendeta against AI.
Its funny how Steve McNair is considered tough because he doesn't practice all week long because of an injury but then plays great on Sunday. But AI plays hurt all the time and misses a practice here and there, but never makes the excuse that he missed it because he was hurt, and to this guy he's a "sissy." If he were to call in and say his knee hurts too much or his shoulder is bothering him, he would be doing nothing wrong, but like I said he makes no excuses for missing practice.
But I do think he should attend practice if he is able too, but he's not the worst guy in the world because he misses a few practices.
Iverson's main problem with Ford has nothing to do with Ford, it was the way the organization handled everything. AI wasn't even told that Ayers was going to be fired, he definitely has earned that right. The practice he missed at Denver, he missed because his flight was late, and he did call the someone in the organization. He didn't call Ford because he didn't have a cell phone # for him so he couldn't get directly in contact with him. So it wasn't like he said F him he's not important enough.
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03-04-2004, 01:07 PM
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This guy who wrote this article obviously hates Iverson. Iverson is so overrated he lead a team to the finals that had no real 2nd scorer and was the only team to actually beat the Lakers that year, oh yea he won the MVP that season. Iverson gets 27 points and 6.6 assists a game and leads the league in steals but I guess all Michael Ventre can see is the 39% shooting, which shows he has a personal vendeta against AI.
Its funny how Steve McNair is considered tough because he doesn't practice all week long because of an injury but then plays great on Sunday. But AI plays hurt all the time and misses a practice here and there, but never makes the excuse that he missed it because he was hurt, and to this guy he's a "sissy." If he were to call in and say his knee hurts too much or his shoulder is bothering him, he would be doing nothing wrong, but like I said he makes no excuses for missing practice.
But I do think he should attend practice if he is able too, but he's not the worst guy in the world because he misses a few practices.
Iverson's main problem with Ford has nothing to do with Ford, it was the way the organization handled everything. AI wasn't even told that Ayers was going to be fired, he definitely has earned that right. The practice he missed at Denver, he missed because his flight was late, and he did call the someone in the organization. He didn't call Ford because he didn't have a cell phone # for him so he couldn't get directly in contact with him. So it wasn't like he said F him he's not important enough.
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I completely agree with your McNair/Iverson comparison concerning the injuries, but Iverson takes more heat because he criticizes his teammates on a weekly basis. He says guy aren't playing with enough heart, then he fails to show up for practice after the all-star break, then fails to show up for a game to support his teammates.
If Iverson wouldn't always complain about his teammates and coaches, I think he would be getting even more respect and credit. But since he says one thing, then does another, it's hard to make excuses for the guy.
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03-04-2004, 01:10 PM
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So tell me, who else is going to shoot the ball? Dalembert? Thomas? Snow?
This roster is sorry, they need everything they can get out of AI.
You do know he was playing hurt, right? There have been no indications in this thread that you've recognized his playing through pain, therefore I assume you have no idea why he shot so poorly.
Instead of rolling your eyes, maybe you should give him some props for going out there and trying to help his team. There are many others in this league who would have sat their overpaid asses on the bench and watched his team get punished by the opposition.
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03-04-2004, 01:19 PM
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I completely agree with your McNair/Iverson comparison concerning the injuries, but Iverson takes more heat because he criticizes his teammates on a weekly basis. He says guy aren't playing with enough heart, then he fails to show up for practice after the all-star break, then fails to show up for a game to support his teammates.
If Iverson wouldn't always complain about his teammates and coaches, I think he would be getting even more respect and credit. But since he says one thing, then does another, it's hard to make excuses for the guy.
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Weekly basis? He complained about his teammates playing with no heart once. And he was absolutely right. It's calling a spade a spade. And they all know it. He has never been one to disrespect his teammates and talk poorly about them, especially to the media. That was a big deal for him to come out like that. Don't get it twisted like that's what he is always doing. His teammates as well as the rest of the players in the league respect Iverson. The only people who make an issue out of the few times he has missed a practice are news hounds with an agenda.
I don't know why some in the media want so badly to classify him as dumb, lazy and having an attitude. Where on earth would they ever come up with those attributes? What possible stereotype could they possibly be trying to play to? I don't know.
I would love to see this guy call Iverson a wimp or a sissy to his face. It's fun to talk tough over the internet. But he would never say that to Iverson's face. Hell...he would never say it to anyone in Philly.
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03-04-2004, 01:20 PM
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Iverson 2 for 21 tonight
