ripped110

LMAO!!! look who you compared AI with.... some player AI stacked up witht he likes of brevin knight. AI should be a PG anyway he is just to SELFISH to play that position.

Minstrel

So you're saying that his size makes him a less-effective scorer. I agree with you, but that's not an artificial circumstance. His size is an intrinsic part of him, like someone else being a poor shooter or bad rebounder.

Some people argue that Iverson would be Jordan-like if he were 6'6''. Maybe, maybe not (I doubt he'd have his current quickness at that size)...but the fact is, he is the size he is. And, at his size, he has some issues that make him less valuable.

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I wasn't comparing them talent wise, but size wise. People that size have a disadvantage when it comes to shooting. Hence their shooting percentages being low no matter how many shots a player takes.

ripped110

well iverson's size makes him shoot a lower %. i would say that makes him overrated would it not? can anyone honestly say that iverson is that good to where people deal with his BS? I mean hes a total malcontent, but he cant back it up. For all his arrogance you would think he is the best player in the NBA and he is nowhere near that. Not even the best at his own position. Not to mention his own team is going to trade him for next to nothing this offseason. I say he ends up in the worst sports town in america... none other than<strike> ATLANTA!!! </strike>(do NOT bash a city or a country) hows that for purgatory.......

RapsFan

I'm saying that his size makes him a less effective shooter hence the low shooting percentage. I realize his size is a part of him that can not be changed. So is his quickness, which is why he uses that advantage to try to make up for his height disadvantage. He is still an effective scorer, yet not the most efficient.

I was not implying (or did not mean to imply) that if he were taller he would be the best player in the elague or in league history, I was just saying that his height is a reason for his low shooting percentage, which is the thing most knocked on him when judging his value as a player. Of course he would be a different player if he were taller, and we would not know if he would be better or worse. However, this thread was saying he is the most overrated player in our generation, which I was debating that the excuse most people use to claim his "overratedness" (his shooting percentage), is due to his size and showed people the same stature and their shooting percentages. Thus, he should not be that overrated, and definitely not the most overrrated.

RapsFan

Okay, he is extremely overrated when people say he is the best player in the league. And maybe a bit overrated when people say he is in the top 10. However, he is not the most overrated player of our generation. That is what I am arguing.

Wouldn't people saying that Bill Russell was the best player in NBA History because he has the most NBA Championships (11 I think) more of an exaggeration than people saying that Iverson is one of the best players in the league today despite him having no championships and a low shooting percentage?

ripped110

yes saying that about bill russell is no doubt out of the question, although all those rings are impressive. I dont hear to many people say that Bill Russell is the greatest ever tho... I hear all the time that AI is either the best player in the league or top 10 tho... maybe its just the time we live in or whatever, but that to me is insane. Bill Russell is the greatest winner ever tho, something to be said for that

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I've yet to meet someone who proclaims AI is the best player in the league and I live in Philadelphia so think about that.

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ripped110

ok i want to know who everyone would say is the most overrated player of the last 20 years..... and be real dont even say shaq... yes shaq might have no real dribbling skills or shooting from far out. but the man flat out dominates. and he does have some decent low post back to the basket moves. way more then when he came in the league...... so who is the most overrated over the last 20 years? Derrick Coleman is up there for me espcially in his younger days.... the man had talent but never really put it together..... Billy Owens was another if any of you all remember him.

sherako

Maybe if you'd look at more than the box score while judging Iverson, you'd see he's a real talent, someone who will just not quit no matter the cost. How else you think he got a bunch of role players with only himself as the legitimate superstar to the NBA Finals?

He shoots 41% for a little guy but so what? Most analysts would say that is extremely good considering he is barely 6 feet and the AVERAGE height in the league is around 6'7". Now deal with these facts.

ripped110

you want to know the real measure of heart? the real measure of heart is playing defense. Iverson plays no D whatsover. HE just hangs around in the passing lanes. He only plays with heart on offense. And even if he does play hard were talking about stats here.... not a feel good story about an undersized nba player.

futuristxen

He is perenially leading the NBA in steals. Pretty good for defense. With his size at the 2, and hell, even the 1, he's prone to being posted up. But his quick hands even the score and get the Sixers easy transition buckets. He's also a good rebounder for his size.

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ripped110

jesus. You dont play defense by stealing passes in the passing lanes. Ron artest plays Defense. AI is one of the worst on ball defenders in the league. They match up snow on the best guard on the opposing team. so whats that say for Iverson?

LA68

It's interesting to compare Iverson to Isiah because early in his career ,Isiah was Iverson. He and Tripucka had to put up shots because that's all the Pistons had. Once they aquired talent and put together a team, Isiah developed into the leader we all remember.

O.K. the sixers have not exactly build a powerhouse of any sort. But, my problem is that Iverson has never made anyone better including himself. He has not improved point skills or spot up shooting skills which any six foot guard should have.

Iverson still has enough gas in the tank for a short series. The east is so weak that the sixers could shock someone. But, he is pouting and sitting out when they need him now! He should be more focused at this part of the season. They could squeak into the playoffs. And he turned into a cancer. I can't excuse that.

John

Okay, it's enough. Let me settle the whole thing down right now. Unknowledgables are all saying Iverson doesnt play the point well, but let me ask for a question from all of you here.

If yourself, as a player can create your shot at will and can get to the line at will, would u consider passing the ball in your mind?

So there are the Stockons, Kidds and even Old time great Magic Johnsons who are limited in offense so the way they play is to look to pass and create plays but could have finished those plays if they do have the scoring ability like carter, Iverson, Kobe, and Jordan.

Iverson is far apart from the other small scoring guards like Francis, Marbury, Kevin Johnson and etc back then.

Steve Francis, Stephon Marbury, Kevin Johnson cannot PLAY WITHOUT THE BALL. That's what seperate Iverson apart from those good scoring point guards.

I didnt get to watch K. Johnson that much and since he is not playing in the NBA anymore so I will just talk about the current players.

A) Stepehon Marbury, he is probably the most overrated point guard in the game right now.

He cant play without the ball, it's not like Suns coaching staffs and Knicks are stupid but Marbury just cant play off screens. He runs pick and roll plays okay, but when was the last time you see a team which is pick and roll oriented won a championship, the KING of pick and roll plays, John Stockon and Karl Malone were close, but what will marbuy do then? And besides, Marbury is a second tier scorer in the game today, a guy can put up barely 20 points ON A MEDICORE TEAM. If Iverson is overrated since he doesnt get the coverage like the James, the T-macs, the Kobes, Marbury who basically gets the same coverage has to be considered an even more overrated player in the NBA.

B) Steve Francis, A even more worst version than Marbury, a basically one step lower player than Marbury plus the jumping only.

Steve Francis is a great rebounder, but will a championship team needs his rebounding in the game? Shaq's YES, Rodman's Yes. But as a guard, if u want to contribute on a championship, you either be the focal offense like Jordan, or be a sidekick, learned to play without the ball, finish plays when you have to. No freaking selfish mind here. Iverson was the focal point of the offense in Sixers, and at least he made it through to the NBA finals. But can Marbury, Franics won with the shots Iverson has to shoot every game? They couldnt even create that amount of shots for them to shoot. It's not like nba players get open shots, THEY DO HAVE TO CREATE SHOTS FOR THEMSELVES. If Iverson's shot attempts were totally ill-advised and air balls, I see a case we hate on him. But first, since we are talking about overrated, similiar size players who get the same TV exposure but are even worse obivously than Iverson arent even "MORE" overrated???

I dont like to type too long for now, thanks... More will be coming if it needs to be done.