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GPS · 04-04-2004, 09:16 AM

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If yourself, as a player can create your shot at will and can get to the line at will, would u consider passing the ball in your mind?

Well, if that was the case then yes, I'd look for my shot first. But 40% shooting isn't "creating at will"

. If you wanna jack up 30 shots a game it's fine, but you better hit at least half of them, otherwise it is not eficient. Think about it man, every shot you miss is a fast break opportunity for the opposing team. Lets say I score 30 points on 12/30. 30 points is great, but when you check the fg % you can see that I'm giving up more points than I'm scoring. I'm not saying guards should be 50% shooters, but 40% is horrable.

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So there are the Stockons, Kidds and even Old time great Magic Johnsons who are limited in offense

Hey, Magic wasn't a limited scorer, he just didn't have to shoot that much. I mean, he was no MJ scoringwise, but he'd score around 25 ppg if he had to.

John · 04-04-2004, 09:36 AM

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Originally posted by GPS!

Well, if that was the case then yes, I'd look for my shot first. But 40% shooting isn't "creating at will"

. If you wanna jack up 30 shots a game it's fine, but you better hit at least half of them, otherwise it is not eficient. Think about it man, every shot you miss is a fast break opportunity for the opposing team. Lets say I score 30 points on 12/30. 30 points is great, but when you check the fg % you can see that I'm giving up more points than I'm scoring. I'm not saying guards should be 50% shooters, but 40% is horrable.

Hey, Magic wasn't a limited scorer, he just didn't have to shoot that much. I mean, he was no MJ scoringwise, but he'd score around 25 ppg if he had to.

Tell that to T-mac, I rarely see a sudden stop and pop three pointer in fast freak situation, nor a quick pick from his teammate then hoist some long range jumper when his team isnt in any sort of settled situation. Iverson always will attack closer to the rim before he shoots the ball. He created tons of open putbacks for scrubs to finish in games.

Besides, you are 18 years ago, and I assume you werent even born when Maic Johndon was in his prime in the mid 80s. If you think Magic could have scored 25 points as the focal point of an offense instead of "score points when it is there" created by other great scoring options for LA unlikr Allen Iverson is their offense for an Eastern Conference Championship team, then you better watch more Iverson games.

PS: I am not talking about Magic has to play like Iverson nor Magic couldnt contribute to win games there, but he couldnt win a thing if he has to play the Iverson role.

mo76 · 04-04-2004, 10:09 AM

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Originally posted by ripped110!
you want to know the real measure of heart? the real measure of heart is playing defense. Iverson plays no D whatsover. HE just hangs around in the passing lanes. He only plays with heart on offense. And even if he does play hard were talking about stats here.... not a feel good story about an undersized nba player.

He was defensive player of the year in college.

**Max Payne** · 04-04-2004, 10:30 AM

Moderators, please shut this thread down. I think the point about Iverson NOT BEING OVERRATED, being a GREAT SCORER and a GREAT DEFENSIVE PLAYER has been made and proven by many of us. Furthur discussion on this subject with certain members of the board who have laughable arguments seems meaningless.

ripped110 · 04-04-2004, 02:11 PM

anybody who says iverson is a great defensive player needs to get their eyes checked cause they cant see

**Max Payne** · 04-04-2004, 03:20 PM

Anybody who says a guy who averages 2.38 steals per game for his career is not a defensive stalwart should get his head checked because they can't THINK.

ripped110 · 04-04-2004, 03:55 PM

man u know nothing about basketball. On ball defense and getting steals is not the same thing whatsoever... learn the game son.

Spriggan · 04-04-2004, 04:04 PM

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Originally posted by ripped110!
man u know nothing about basketball. On ball defense and getting steals is not the same thing whatsoever... learn the game son.

who do you think is the best guard in the league, defense-wise?

**Max Payne** · 04-04-2004, 04:04 PM

Dude, fix your grammar and learn to spell properly. I get the feeling that you're one of those guys who's team has been torched again and again by AI and that you're just so sick of him that you have to come out with scathing, meaningless attacks. You should go home and actually WATCH AI on defense before asking people to "learn the game". Don't call me "son" by the way.

ripped110 · 04-04-2004, 04:45 PM

when this becomes english class instead of a message board then i will worry about that. why dont u worry about getting ur head out of AI's ***?

**Max Payne** · 04-04-2004, 05:05 PM

Dude your opinions are worthless and your arguments are laughable. You don't have to prove it any longer by making personal attacks on people who happen to admire the fact that there's a 6 foot guy who's 5th on the all-time career scoring averages and who IS IN FACT A DEFENSIVE FORCE. If you don't like it then just go away and become a hermit for a few years until AI retires.

TheRifleman · 04-04-2004, 05:07 PM

Personal attacks are against the rules. Lockdown.

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