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**Coatesvillain** · 04-09-2004, 05:32 AM

This is a followup to my "What teams would be interested in AI" thread, and overall this might be the tougher question. Most Sixers fans happen to be Iverson fans, and they value what he's done for the team during his career, which is fine, but some turn that and exaggerate his value through trade. It's the type of thing that leads some fans to say they would trade him for only another allstar. Again, it's not a bad thing to think like that, but it's not realistic, it's rare to see any superstar fetches what amounts to equal his talent value in a trade.

In the first thread I made on the regards of shuttling Iverson out of town, BEEZ helped narrow the possible future locations for AI to be: Atlanta, Portland, Charlotte, LA Clippers, Chicago, and Golden State.

Now when we're talking about what AI is worth, it doesn't neccessarily have to be from one of those teams we narrowed down to, instead I want you to look at it, if you were a team trading for Iverson, what you'd be willing to send out.

So, any ideas?

futuristxen · 04-09-2004, 01:44 PM

Well considering all that has happened between him and philly managemement I wouldn't send too much out for him, I'd just wait for him to demand a trade and then make something similiar to the Charles Barkley deal for him where I give up some okay players for one all-star to get my team to the next level.

If I'm Golden State I'd trade Van Exel and Richardson, and then start AI at point guard.

If I'm Portland, I'd trade Damon and either Travis Outlaw or Q. Woods.

If I'm the Clippers, I'd part with Q. and Wilcox. Or anyone not named Maggette, Brand, or Kaman.

If I'm Chicago, you can have Chandler and JYD, provided we draft Okafor.

Atlanta, well I'd just offer to take Mckie with Iverson and call it a deal.

You're not going to be able to swap Iverson for another superstar, unless it's like where Kobe is definitely leaving LA and the Lakers don't want to let him go without a superstar replacement. But Orlando isn't going to trade T-Mac for Iverson, and Boston isn't trading Pierce for Iverson...it's just kind of an age thing.

**Coatesvillain** · 04-09-2004, 06:38 PM

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Originally posted by futuristxen!
Well considering all that has happened between him and philly managemement I wouldn't send too much out for him, I'd just wait for him to demand a trade and then make something similiar to the Charles Barkley deal for him where I give up some okay players for one all-star to get my team to the next level.

If I'm Golden State I'd trade Van Exel and Richardson, and then start AI at point guard.

If I'm Portland, I'd trade Damon and either Travis Outlaw or Q. Woods.

If I'm the Clippers, I'd part with Q. and Wilcox. Or anyone not named Maggette, Brand, or Kaman.

If I'm Chicago, you can have Chandler and JYD, provided we draft Okafor.

Atlanta, well I'd just offer to take Mckie with Iverson and call it a deal.

You're not going to be able to swap Iverson for another superstar, unless it's like where Kobe is definitely leaving LA and the Lakers don't want to let him go without a superstar replacement. But Orlando isn't going to trade T-Mac for Iverson, and Boston isn't trading Pierce for Iverson...it's just kind of an age thing.

Nice post.

Out of those the one where the Sixers come close to winning is the Clippers deal, but that seems to be contingent on the Kobe Bryant situation, as the Clips obviously wouldn't be interested if they land him. Though acquiring Wilcox and Q. Rich would be a great filler since both players could contribute heavily (if not start).

I like both the GState and Portland deals, because you have a guy who's into the end of his contract paired with a player with upside. I haven't seen much of Qyntel Woods so I'm not sure exactly how far he's progressed since he's come into the league.

The deal for Chandler, JYD would appease me because it'd give us guys to play the 4. Chandler, I think is a ton better than he's played this season, he's basically been slowed by the injuries, a front line of him and Dalembert is scary for the lack of offense and size. I'm not too sure about the Atlanta deal, what could they possibly give back?

After reading an article, it appears that Eric Snow is tying his time in Philly to Iverson. Saying that if the team goes in an all young direction he doesn't see where he fits, if anyone is interested in seeing the article I'll search it up and provide a link. So that means my wishes to hold onto Snow and eventually turn him into an assistant are dashed, and he'll be gone and there is interest. Especially in places like Orlando.

Bruno · 04-10-2004, 07:07 AM

what i see most is kobe for iverson but i wouldnt trade iverson . for most im a sixers fan but i wouldnt like to see this team without iverson and why not trade iverson for Vince Carter ? It would be good for Sixers but Carter sometimes are injury but hes 2 years more young then iverson . but i thing we absolutli have to change the actul GM because i dont see him make things for good and change too the coach . And open salary like dismised Tod , monty williams , amal mccaskill . and why not trade ray allen or rashard lewis or both for Iverson and snow or mckie ? or finley and nash for iverson it could happen because mark cuban is some crazy . and nash is free agent .

**MJG** · 04-10-2004, 07:29 AM

If Iverson's deal was expiring next year, you could probably get a big time player for him. However, it still goes for another five years after this one. A smart GM will realize that at this point, Iverson probably isn't getting any better. While $15-16 million per over the next two seasons is probably okay for him, what about when he's earning $20+ million over the last two seasons of his deal when he's in his 30's and in the sunset of his career?

If I were a team, I would only consider Iverson if we were going nowhere and we needed a boost of revenue and excitement. It's tough to place an exact value on him, but the Iverson for Lewis trade is the type that I think should be expected for him (not that exact trade, but that level of player). Guys like McGrady and Bryant are younger, better players, and have better contracts -- I would not be expecting someone of that calibur, and if you are, I think you may be very disappointed.

You might be able to swing a Iverson for Carter trade, that's about the best I can think of. Carter has a deal the same length of Iverson and a lot of people in Toronto seem to be tiring of him. Though he's obviously a huge injury waiting to happen, he still puts up 23/5/5 when healthy.

Dalembertfan · 04-13-2004, 11:50 PM

I don't think Orlando would got for this but I would trade AI and Eric Snow for T-mac, Tyronn Lue, and Andrew DeClercq.
Philadelphia trades: SG Allen Iverson (26.4 ppg, 3.7 rpg, 6.8 apg in 42.5 minutes)
PG Eric Snow (10.4 ppg, 3.4 rpg, 6.9 apg in 36.3 minutes)
Philadelphia receives: SG Tracy McGrady (28.0 ppg, 6.0 rpg, 5.5 apg in 39.9 minutes)
C Andrew DeClercq (3.1 ppg, 4.4 rpg, 0.6 apg in 16.8 minutes)
PG Tyronn Lue (10.4 ppg, 2.5 rpg, 4.2 apg in 30.7 minutes)
Change in team outlook: +4.7 ppg, +5.8 rpg, and -3.4 apg.

Orlando trades: SG Tracy McGrady (28.0 ppg, 6.0 rpg, 5.5 apg in 39.9 minutes)
C Andrew DeClercq (3.1 ppg, 4.4 rpg, 0.6 apg in 16.8 minutes)
PG Tyronn Lue (10.4 ppg, 2.5 rpg, 4.2 apg in 30.7 minutes)
Orlando receives: SG Allen Iverson (26.4 ppg, 3.7 rpg, 6.8 apg in 48 games)
PG Eric Snow (10.4 ppg, 3.4 rpg, 6.9 apg in 81 games)
Change in team outlook: -4.7 ppg, -5.8 rpg, and +3.4 apg.
The sixers do this so they can get T-mac and then after next season the have have cap space because Glenn Robison, Tyronn Lue, and Andrew DeClercq are free agents
Orlando does this because AI draws fans and Eric Snow would greatly upgrade the Point for the Magic. The Magic would draft a center.

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