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05-21-2004, 05:10 AM
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Kwisatz Haderach
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Problem is that WE WILL NOT BE UNDER THE CAP even if we keep Robinson. So what is the point of getting this "cap space" if there is no practical use (basketball wise)? We have too many bad contracts on the team, so even if we let Robinson leave after next season we are still over 10 million above the cap. Trade Robinson for someone decent, and we will be fine. Expiring contracts are for rebuilding teams or teams that are CLOSe to being under the cap, not contending teams that are way too over the cap.
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The thing is, it might just be worth more for the team to get his contract off the books instead of getting something average with a bad contract. If you check the history of the Sixers trades under Billy King, he shows why he's probably an awful poker player. I mean in every trade we've done since he's had an impact on operations, we've traded a draft pick, and got something bad.
I think unless we can get a young player who has room to grow and could be a beneficial piece to this team, or a player who can contribute with a short contract, it's hard to do. This is one of those things you don't want to mess around with, I'm all for looking for a situation where we trade Robinson, but if it's not what we want, just cut him loose.
Also, I'm not sure we're a contender, we're stuck in the corner with these Larry Brown/Billy King moves that they thought were supposed to get us over the hump and to win the championship. Jim O'Brien doesn't want to rebuild, which is understandable, but by letting Robinson's contract go, we could be moving in the right direction of improving while making the playoffs (much like we did when Larry first came into town).
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05-22-2004, 06:46 AM
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The thing is, it might just be worth more for the team to get his contract off the books instead of getting something average with a bad contract. If you check the history of the Sixers trades under Billy King, he shows why he's probably an awful poker player. I mean in every trade we've done since he's had an impact on operations, we've traded a draft pick, and got something bad.
I think unless we can get a young player who has room to grow and could be a beneficial piece to this team, or a player who can contribute with a short contract, it's hard to do. This is one of those things you don't want to mess around with, I'm all for looking for a situation where we trade Robinson, but if it's not what we want, just cut him loose.
Also, I'm not sure we're a contender, we're stuck in the corner with these Larry Brown/Billy King moves that they thought were supposed to get us over the hump and to win the championship. Jim O'Brien doesn't want to rebuild, which is understandable, but by letting Robinson's contract go, we could be moving in the right direction of improving while making the playoffs (much like we did when Larry first came into town).
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Understood, but I really think we could get at least someone decent with the expiring contract. If the Wolves could get Spree I am sure we could ge tsome decent players. It doesn't even have to be a single player, maybe a combination of relatively young players who could make a positive impact. I think trading Robinson's expiring contract would be best for the tea,.
Also, yeah the Sixers really are no the best of teams, but in the East almost every team is a contender, and with Iverson healthy (hopefully) I still believe that the Sixers will contend next season. And while we still keep Iverson we will never try to rebuild and hence will always be a team attmpting to be a "contender" and will always attempt to upgrade the team instead of let contracts expire.
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05-23-2004, 11:15 PM
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Kwisatz Haderach
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Originally posted by dcrono3!
Understood, but I really think we could get at least someone decent with the expiring contract. If the Wolves could get Spree I am sure we could ge tsome decent players. It doesn't even have to be a single player, maybe a combination of relatively young players who could make a positive impact. I think trading Robinson's expiring contract would be best for the tea,.
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If we can get something that can benefit our team that's more than just patchwork, I say go for it. If we're settling for some scrap heap garbage, I'll pass on it. On the otherhand, we can gain some cap flexibility in future years if we let him come off. Add a guy with good potential through the draft (I'm currently eyeing Biedrins, Iguodala, or Josh Smith if we're at nine) our future almost instantly brightens.
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Also, yeah the Sixers really are no the best of teams, but in the East almost every team is a contender, and with Iverson healthy (hopefully) I still believe that the Sixers will contend next season. And while we still keep Iverson we will never try to rebuild and hence will always be a team attmpting to be a "contender" and will always attempt to upgrade the team instead of let contracts expire.
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I think we basically fall on the side of non-contender, even in the best case scenario, I don't see the Sixers finishing any higher than the 6th seed, especially next year. That's if we make minimal moves, of course with a couple moves we could brighten things up instantly. I just hope we don't get patchwork, because we would be in the same situation as we are right now.
Another thought, I just had, we could possibly work a trade with the Bobcats if a player is exposed by another team that we covet. So we could keep our eyes open for that.
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05-24-2004, 04:20 AM
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Originally posted by PhillyPhanatic!
I think we basically fall on the side of non-contender, even in the best case scenario, I don't see the Sixers finishing any higher than the 6th seed, especially next year. That's if we make minimal moves, of course with a couple moves we could brighten things up instantly. I just hope we don't get patchwork, because we would be in the same situation as we are right now.
Another thought, I just had, we could possibly work a trade with the Bobcats if a player is exposed by another team that we covet. So we could keep our eyes open for that.
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Well, I don't know about being so low. It is definately possible, I admit, but with a healthy team (which, actually, seems quite impossible already. Why are the Sixers ALWAYS injuried? Since the Finals Run in 2000 there have always been key players injuried) the Sixers IMO could match up with any team in the league. Of course, Dalembert has to improve his basketball IQ first, Salmons has to improve...etc, but I think we have a possibility of winning the east, especially if we draft a good player this year. Look how important Wade was to the Heat this year. I am probably dreaming but I think the Sixers aren't in as bad a shape most people think.
I would love to draft Josh Smith if he was available. Plays a position of need (SF) and could develope into something special. Of course first choice would be to trade back and pick up picks IMO.
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