Basel

As for Stockton, I think you're forgetting how great he was (while also being very good defensively). He was better than Nash, even if you compare both in their primes.

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Dissonance

62-20 PHX team that finished almost last yr the before. He deserved that first one. And he got the 2nd because of what he did with no Amare.

Just because he's not a "superstar" shouldn't matter or the best player. It's MOST VALUABLE PLAYER. Sick of you elitists and I'm not even that big of a Nash fan.

Dissonance

I have no idea where the best place for Nash is. I could see him on anyone of those teams being mentioned though.

chilltown

I agree here, except that I tend to favor the 2nd MVP more than the first. Seriously is there one player who has been relevant for any team other than Nash since that team? I'll give you Marion, but he was never the same after Nash, and it is widely known that he is one of the best 3rd bananas over the last 15 years.

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Luke

Are rebounding and man defense really that important from a point guard though? Sure it's a plus but it doesn't change the fact that Jason Kidd the scorer, not the distributor was noticably easier to defend than a prime Nash.He was named Ason Kidd for a reason. Do you think that Rondo is a better point guard than Deron Williams because he is a better defender and rebounder?

And Stockton's prime is extremely overrated; he played in Sloan's offense that is notorious for high assist totals and had the fortune of playing with a guy that was significantly better than anyone that a prime Nash ever had the fortune of playing with. Stockton was very, very, good for an extremely long period of time but he was never great in the same way that Nash was. No amount of pretty boxscore stat sheets is going to change the fact that Stockton was incapable of being the best player on a contender, whereas Nash was.

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Gonzo

If he came to Indiana he'd instantly restore interest in our team and would be a crowd favorite.

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Luke

I kind of hope that he goes to Indiana at this point. That way he'd stay on a competitive team, but also still be fun to watch.

He would definitely aid Paul George's development as well.

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Luke

Well I'm sick of fanboys that hide behind subjective terms like "valuable" to prop up players that are on their favorite team. The fact that anyone would argue that the league's most prestigious regular season award shouldn't go to the best player is retarded.

I love Nash, and I think he's one of the best point guards ever. But he didn't deserve either of his MVP awards. Sorry.

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Dissonance

Firstly, I'd be careful with throwing terms around like "retarded."

Secondly, I'm not even that big of a Nash fan. I guess you missed that.


I see it took you almost a month to come up with some reply. No, and not it's not "retarded." This is why it's a season award for the top player of that yr. Not let's hand it to every top player yr in and yr out. That's just silly. Not hiding behind anything anyway. The name of the award is Most Valuable Player. Not Best Player of ???, etc. But whatever dude, he won em, can't do nothing about it. Sorry, yourself.

Luke

Aren't you the guy that posts borderline zombie porn in the million post thread? No disrespect but let's not try and act like arbitrarily saying retarded in that context is going to offend anyone more than naked girls and dead people.

And I didn't miss that. Reread my post. I called you a "fanboy" referring to your Suns' affiliation, not your Nash fandom, hence "to prop up players on your favorite team".

And yes, it's the season award that should go to the top player of the year. Steve Nash has never been the "top" or best player in the world. Ever. And he's never really been all that close. The fact that he has as many MVPs as Shaq and Kobe combined is a travesty. Or as many as Duncan.

And just because he "won em" doesn't mean I can't complain about a blatant mistake. So yeah. Sorry.

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Dissonance

They all artsy pics. Fake. It's not even my thing. I post cuz I know it's hidden and it's funny to me, as the reactions. They don't offend anyone either. Who doesn't love half-naked girls though? There's a difference, too. Pics or a general personal attack on those who make the argument - even if it's not directed at anyone or you meant stupid.

Regardless. My affiliation or fandom is almost at empty right now. I bash them left and right - most would think I hate them. What happened seasons ago isn't gonna change that. Nice try. I don't operate that way. Having to type all that cuz of your assumptions and the fact that you have to reach on that - you're just pissing me off. I'm just tired of that argument that it should go to Top Players. I would be having this discussion with anyone who isn't a top 3 player since it's supposed to go to one of em.

I know you'll think whatever you think regardless. He's definitely not close on their level overall, but again, your performance level changes yr to yr, some don't have the same one as their player status is. Their team doesn't do as well either. That is an important factor. People try to put it into some legacy status or how good a player is - defining them with history and how he has more than certain players. Who cares? Like it means something. It doesn't. Top contender those yrs, having an amazing season and you get rewarded for it. Best player the argument is silly, just reeks of elitism and not having it go your way. And is it really that important, too? It's just MVP. Kobe, Duncan, Shaq have rings combined that could cover both Nash's hands and part of his feet - which is more important anyway.

l0st1

I think it's safe to say Nash is gone. But I read that the Suns apparently put a 3 year offer (undisclosed amount) on the table to Nash.

So far I've heard PHX, POR and TOR are the teams he's thinking about. He's not going to Indiana or ATL. There is no reason to really. PHX because he loves the franchise, fans and city. Toronto because of his Canadian connection and his role in the Canadian National Team. And Portland.... I have no idea really. Money I guess.

But then again, recently he was quoted basically saying he wants to get paid. He tried to spin it as it's a "sign of respect" but bottom line he wants that dollar. So I guess who really knows where he goes.


And honestly, I'm also tired of people bitching about his MVP's. Isn't the award supposed to go to the player that is most responsible for his teams success? Granted there is an inherent argument in there. Like Kobe was the only reason the Lakers won more than 15 games that one year. Or Shaq was the reason his team was on top. But you act like he had no right to even be in the running. When that is just blatantly.... stupid. And the fact that he has AS MANY or MORE than certain players really has nothing to do with this conversation. I think it's ridiculous that Horry has more rings than Nash, Malone, Stockton, Barkley, Miller, Kemp, CP3, Williams, Durant, Howard, etc combined. But it's all a matter of timing.

Dissonance

I'm thinking he heads to Toronto and finishes in up there before he retires, it makes a lot of sense. They also don't wanna make the Lowry move knowing it could cost em their chance. Not sure about Portland. And I don't know if our front office is willing to do anything movement wise that would convince him to stay.


For what he had to put up with last 2 yrs after WCF appearance, I don't blame him.


Yeah, only reason he heads to anyone of em is to get paid. Not close to being contenders. It's clear that a motivation if he's not gonna entertain Indiana, ATL, or elsewhere.

l0st1

I have thought Toronto or New York all along. But after thinking about it NY just doesn't make sense. I'm hoping he helps us out by forcing a Sign and Trade though I don't know what the Raptors would be willing to part with but I'll take the Trade Exception if that's all we can get.

e-monk

he could always come to LA