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Old 09-17-2012, 10:50 AM   #16 (permalink)
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The "thing" that I really feel the Suns were missing all those years were two guys that could elevate their game at the same time. Steve Nash could elevate his game from being a great passer, to being a great scorer and that helped change dynamics. But when we had Amare in the playoffs, I can't remember any games where I felt he truly elevated his game to another level. Sure, he scored a lot in quite a few series, but on the defensive end did he take it to the level he could have? Or even take over the game when Nash couldn't get a good look? We just needed ONE more guy that could affect a game on that kind of level. We never had him. So, yeah, we have excuses, but great teams that win championships always have TWO guys that have the ability to elevate their game.
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The "thing" that I really feel the Suns were missing all those years were two guys that could elevate their game at the same time. Steve Nash could elevate his game from being a great passer, to being a great scorer and that helped change dynamics. But when we had Amare in the playoffs, I can't remember any games where I felt he truly elevated his game to another level. Sure, he scored a lot in quite a few series, but on the defensive end did he take it to the level he could have? Or even take over the game when Nash couldn't get a good look? We just needed ONE more guy that could affect a game on that kind of level. We never had him. So, yeah, we have excuses, but great teams that win championships always have TWO guys that have the ability to elevate their game.
I think that in 2004-2005 Amare was that guy. He dominated offensively and definitely stepped his activity level up everywhere.. I rip Amare a lot be he has always been one to raise his game in some way in the playoffs..

I'm not sure we were deep enough in 2004-2005 anyways, but the thing that killed us was Joe Johnson breaking his face. He was that guy to create his own shot when the offense stalled. Obviously he left that year and we never had a wing who could create anything until we brought in JRich like 5 years later.
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Our best team was suspensions season. Such a different team that yr. Even down Doris and Amare we had a lead all game or most of it, still almost went up 3-2 on SA. I think we take it that yr. Once we lost that, broke the team mentally, lost momentum and I knew were losing with em back.


Yeah even with JJ we had no depth, wouldn't have made a difference.
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Yeah we were definitely too shallow in 04-05. I'm just saying it was that gap in between JJ and JRich that really hurt us as far as not having a legit wing threat.
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Oh yeah, definitely agree. All just spot up shooters til then or needed Nash.
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Bell was a great 3pt shooter with Marion slashing. In terms of playmaking, no, there was a dearth of sg talent in the NBA, hell there still is a dearth of talent. JJ is still a top 5 sg in the league no matter how you slice it.
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Right. I love both of those players, but both largely depended on Nash to get their looks. Marion is a hell of a player... but an iso player he was not. The closest thing we had was Barbosa.
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I agree. Our best team was during the suspension playoff series: Nash, Bell, Marion, Amare, and Thomas, but we didn't have the right coach.
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Mix from the 04-05 Season:

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Nash, JJ, Marion, Amare... Big 4 before it became cool?
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Re: The Run 'n Gun Suns: 2004-2010

Just about to watch every video in this thread.

Question for the Suns fans... Which was the best edition of the Run n Gun Suns?
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Answered it already but 2007 suspensions team.
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Damn that 06-07 team was so epic. I would of loved to see that series with each team at its full capacity for the whole series.
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Probably the most inspiring playoff game in Nash's career:

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