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Old 10-25-2012, 05:03 PM   #31 (permalink)
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**** Tim Thomas.
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D'Antoni joining the Lakers . . . I had to go watch the Suns 06-07 season highlights to reminisce. The closest the Suns were to being able to win a championship. That team was so damn entertaining.
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I really miss these days. We'll never get that back and it'll be a long while before we ever get to any kind of level to contend. It's depressing. And it's not like the NFL where you can turn it around quickly.
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I still blame Sarver's Joe Johnson decision for the dismantling of this potential dynasty.
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It was a myriad of bad decisions.


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I still blame Sarver's Joe Johnson decision for the dismantling of this potential dynasty.
That was the first of many MANY mistakes. Definitely the biggest IMO though. After that season the Suns lacked a wing player who could create for himself until Jason Richardson. By that point, Marion was gone and we were already downhill imo.
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Definitely despressing to think that we could of gotten a ring or two had a couple things happened differently(or not happened) or if Sarver had not cheaped out ( honestly after the amount of money you spent you are going to cheap out over like $5M?)

Continues to suck to be a Suns fan. Though not as bad as some other franchises.
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Joe Johnson is garbage. He is quite possibly the worst wannabe all-star guard in the league. He's a glorified pull-up shooter.
I'm glad the Suns did not throw big money at him, because he wouldn't have added as much versatility as we found later on (Diaw, Grant Hill, Bell).
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Yep. We were better off with what we could do and then our 06-07 yr being our best team. Also, would've cost us to dump Marion for nothing - worse than Shaq.


Not sure how it affects that team later but trading Rondo and our prearranged deal with Bulls were worse. Former exec David Griffin fought for us to pick and keep Rondo before agreeing to that trade. We used more $ to pay for... Marcus Banks. Then we kept our commitment (something W's didn't do for us later on) to trading the pick for what allowed Bulls to get Deng because we thought Iggy wouldn't be there.
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Joe Johnson is garbage. He is quite possibly the worst wannabe all-star guard in the league. He's a glorified pull-up shooter.
I'm glad the Suns did not throw big money at him, because he wouldn't have added as much versatility as we found later on (Diaw, Grant Hill, Bell).
5/$70M is big money? I'd say a solid offensive player who could defend very well. Great size and quickness at the time. And had zero behavioral issues is well worth that money. And quite honestly had we gotten a little time to try and build a bench with the core of Nash, JJ, Marion,Amare we would of been fine. And still had the bi-annual to get Hill. We definitely could of filled out the roster on smaller contracts or ring chasers had this core been given a little longer.


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Yep. We were better off with what we could do and then our 06-07 yr being our best team. Also, would've cost us to dump Marion for nothing - worse than Shaq.


Not sure how it affects that team later but trading Rondo and our prearranged deal with Bulls were worse. Former exec David Griffin fought for us to pick and keep Rondo before agreeing to that trade. We used more $ to pay for... Marcus Banks. Then we kept our commitment (something W's didn't do for us later on) to trading the pick for what allowed Bulls to get Deng because we thought Iggy wouldn't be there.
Marion was a baby that whined all the time. If anything it would of caused us to trade him earlier and possibly gotten a real return on him. And yes the Rondo/Iggy trades were disasters. But who knows what Rondo would of done as a backup(mind you D'Antoni was not about playing depth/rookies). But yes a lineup of Nash, Johnson, Iggy, Marion, Amare would of been insane. 3 very good defenders on the wing and offense everywhere.
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I agree with lost. JJs firsr big contract was very reasonable. (he wanted 45 million the year before he hit the market but sarver didnt pony up). Diaw was a one year-Nash wonder. We all fell in love with him but them our FO paid him mistakenly to not repeat the same mistake with JJ the year prior. And then he got fat and lazy ( and plain wouldnt shoot the ball.. EVER.) Honestly had it worked out perfectly we should have had JJ for the contract that Diaw ended up getting (40 mil I think?) And still had Barbosa to the deal he had.

I am a huge marion fan, but according to many who are close to the suns, gambo included, he was a pain in the locker room and hated playing 3rd fiddle to nash and amare.

Anyways... I dont want to discuss all of the events that transpired to blow up this team. This version of the suns was just a glorious tragedy lol. We all know everything that happened. Just too painful.
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I agree with lost. JJs firsr big contract was very reasonable. (he wanted 45 million the year before he hit the market but sarver didnt pony up). Diaw was a one year-Nash wonder. We all fell in love with him but them our FO paid him mistakenly to not repeat the same mistake with JJ the year prior. And then he got fat and lazy ( and plain wouldnt shoot the ball.. EVER.) Honestly had it worked out perfectly we should have had JJ for the contract that Diaw ended up getting (40 mil I think?) And still had Barbosa to the deal he had.

I am a huge marion fan, but according to many who are close to the suns, gambo included, he was a pain in the locker room and hated playing 3rd fiddle to nash and amare.

Anyways... I dont want to discuss all of the events that transpired to blow up this team. This version of the suns was just a glorious tragedy lol. We all know everything that happened. Just too painful.
Just like we usually are, we are on the same page when it comes to the Suns. Joe Johnson got super hyped after he signed the contract in ATL. He upped his play but he never should of been THE guy on a team. He's a #2 on a real team. Had we gotten him for the 5/$50 that he reportedly wanted(I think it was) we could of resigned LB to the contract he had(then used that as a trade chip as interest was pretty high on him) and still had Marion to float out around the league.

Marion by all accounts was a disaster on that team. He was constantly moody and pissy because of his role. That's why they moved him for Shaq(speaks volumes that we essentially salary dumped him). Wasn't there some rumor that a Marion for KG swap was on the table? Wonder if they would do that if we tossed LB in too. Amare,KG, JJ, Nash. Throw in a 3rd rotational big in the mold of Robin Lopez who can defend and run and a SF that can shoot and defend(like Bruce Bowen/Shane Battier or even Bi-Annual for Grant Hill) and then fill out the roster with smaller deals.

I have no idea the salary implications but we had options. Instead Sarver cheaped out despite the recommendations of ALL the basketball minds in our front office telling him to sign the contract for JJ. And that was the beginning of an historically poor run by management
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I can understand Sarver's POV. Putting him the $ he did for the franchise, signing Nash and Q to those big deals. JJ actually wanted more than what we offered. Whatever it was. But he hadn't lived up to anything like that warrants at that time in FO's view. Marion whined, maybe bad in the locker room but he sucked it up and still played his ass off. And guess what? If the guys didn't like him or had problems - it didn't impact us on the court as it shouldn't. They're pros. We were in first place when he got dealt. We didn't have to do anything with him (he he had a player option). But I would keep him always over JJ. His defense and skill set was perfect for the team. Signing JJ probably means more of a salary dump for actually nothing and probably sooner than when we actually traded Marion. There was no way we could keep Amare, Marion, JJ, Nash, add in Q, at those prices - throw in a bench. Either way, we somehow recovered from both losses of them, kept contending, had our best team ever in 06-07, somehow made it to WCF in final season 2010. Though Our biggest mistake, I'll touch on that below.


Rumored deal was Marion going to Boston in 3 way with KG to us but Marion declined a MAX extension on top of his high salary. Dumb move on his part because he never saw anything close to it. Then other was Amare to ATL, KG to us, and picks/expirings to Wolves. Suns were KG's first choice and Kerr stepping into a new job didn't want to do anything ballsy. I bet he wishes he could get that back. Again, we recovered from it but so many what could have beens. We had a big thread about here, I was ready to ship Amare or Marion or whatever out for KG. I actually preferred keeping Marion because of how devastating KG/Marion would be defensively. It's funny to think now how Amare was such an untouchable. He was never going to live up to it and actually play defense.
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Yeah I remember he boston deal that marion nixed. Ive said since that day that that will be the only reason I would dislike him... And it was a good one. That and he would pretty much disappear vs the spurs every year.

I dont think keeping JJ would have meant shipping Marion though.. At least any sooner than they did anyways. Also keep in mind that although we were in 1st place in the west at the time of the deal, we were something awful against legit competition that year. FYI I hated that trade but tried making the most of it after it was finalized..

I think we should just pin the blame on them saving money by passing on Iguodala/Deng and opting to sign Quentin... Just sayin. And yes I still say that they were morons because we would have taken Iggy, but made a stupid agreement before knpwing he would be there. Would have been happy with either though.
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