E.H. Munro

I would? Aren't they pretty much the most pro-police network there is? I mean, don't they condone torture? I'm pretty sure they'd hate me. Christ, they fired Andy Napolitano for being too liberal and he's an ultra-conservative compared to me. And as the bill only makes an exception for the sorts of cases where someone legitimately act in self-defense it actually pretty much only covers those cases of the sort that I'm referring to. The exception was, literally, to prevent injustices like the Maye case.

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R-Star

You're good at using obscure cases and acting like they are common day events that happen all the time.

F.N. Munro.

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E.H. Munro

Overkill: The Rise of Paramilitary Police

I read it a few years ago, but what was true in 2006 is actually more true today.

Not always ill-gotten gains, as you very well know, as there's a ton of fraud in seizures. But, beyond that, money is fungible. Every dollar wasted on the unnecessary militarization of the police is a dollar that isn't being spent wisely (retiring debt, etc.)

It pretty much works the same way every government agency does. If they don't spend the money then congress looks to slash the budget, so they spend every dime they can get their hands on on every wasteful project that goes across every desk and then cry poormouth to congress and lobby for a budget increase.

This is how Lawrence ends up with a quarter million dollar RV from hell which sits around in a municipal parking lot because no one has any idea what the hell they're supposed to do with it. Though the present mayor may well have shipped it to the Domninican Republic in preparation for his run for president there. God knows he's sent enough municipal vehicles and taxpayer money down there to buy votes after he flees the US ($35 million in cash and a few dozen municipal vehicles have completely vanished since the ACORN endorsed "reformer" took office).

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If everyone loves you you're doing it wrong.

"Opium is the religion of the masses." Fred Reed

The Power of 99 Press

"He thinks it's going to be fun being governor. It's only fun being governor of New York if you have money to spend, and I spent it all." Nelson Rockefeller on his successor, Hugh Carey.

E.H. Munro

You're completely missing the point, as usual. The section of the bill that everyone is spouting breathless hyperbole over pretty much only covers those cases that I listed. It's for homeowners that legitimately exercise their right to self defense, just so that when these events happen (because despite your pretending to the contrary they do happen) there isn't a miscarriage of justice.

In the other 49 states when these sorts of tragic accidents happen homeowners/tenants find themselves charged with capital murder and are denied the self-defense defense at trial (because the victim was a police officer). So far from being an invitation to a wild west that never was I doubt that there will be much change at all.

Best evidence tells u that 98% of humanity isn't prone to wanton violence, even if there are no repercussions, because we're just not wired that way. People are basically good. So, no, Indiana residents aren't going to be gunning down the police in the streets. Just as concealed carry laws didn't lead to gunfights in the streets (as the police also breathlessly guaranteed us would happen if concealed carry laws became a reality).

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If everyone loves you you're doing it wrong.

"Opium is the religion of the masses." Fred Reed

The Power of 99 Press

"He thinks it's going to be fun being governor. It's only fun being governor of New York if you have money to spend, and I spent it all." Nelson Rockefeller on his successor, Hugh Carey.

R-Star

No, I didn't miss the point. You must have forgot that I already told you I'm not getting into this waste of time with you.

Just thought I'd point out that you have a habit of posting obscure stories like they're every day fact.

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I accept your apology for your mistake.

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If everyone loves you you're doing it wrong.

"Opium is the religion of the masses." Fred Reed

The Power of 99 Press

"He thinks it's going to be fun being governor. It's only fun being governor of New York if you have money to spend, and I spent it all." Nelson Rockefeller on his successor, Hugh Carey.

Prince

This

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e-monk

most people are good....? no, most people are selfish and ignorant (not intended as an insult of any one here just a general observation)

E.H. Munro

Selfish and ignorant are, generally speaking, subjective notions. Violence, however, is not. Either you're prone to wanton violence or you're not. And the overwhelming majority of human beings aren't. They may indeed be "selfish", and they are likely ignorant, as people tend to mean "they disagree with me!" when they use the term.

But you know what? They're also pretty good. We, on the whole, tend to help our fellow humans when they're in trouble. We give money to the poor/needy. We donate to charity. When we see someone with a flat tire we actually stop and ask them if they need a hand. And, as I noted, it takes a lot to get people to leave their comfortable daily routines and commit mayhem. We're just not terribly evil on the whole.

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If everyone loves you you're doing it wrong.

"Opium is the religion of the masses." Fred Reed

The Power of 99 Press

"He thinks it's going to be fun being governor. It's only fun being governor of New York if you have money to spend, and I spent it all." Nelson Rockefeller on his successor, Hugh Carey.

Bogg

I'll just leave this here......

http://www.13wham.com/news/local/sto...spx?hpt=ju_bn4


<backs away slowly>

R-Star

Would fix the problem if you could just shoot police in the face.

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E.H. Munro

Maybe the police would actually bother to check addresses if there were a penalty? Though in this case the only person in danger was the 76 year old guy eating his breakfast as a swat team battered in his door.

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If everyone loves you you're doing it wrong.

"Opium is the religion of the masses." Fred Reed

The Power of 99 Press

"He thinks it's going to be fun being governor. It's only fun being governor of New York if you have money to spend, and I spent it all." Nelson Rockefeller on his successor, Hugh Carey.

R-Star

I agree. As soon as they pass a bill to allow me to shoot a fast food employee in the face when they make a mistake, I'll be on board with your idiocy.

"Hey, McDonalds Face! I said no pickles! BANG!"

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E.H. Munro

Not that it's unusual for you to completely miss the point, but that scenario isn't remotely similar to what's covered in Indiana bill in question. The bill excuses honest mistakes by people who legitimately defend themselves in their own home, it doesn't legalise wanton murder anywhere outside the fevered imaginations of police state cheerleaders.

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If everyone loves you you're doing it wrong.

"Opium is the religion of the masses." Fred Reed

The Power of 99 Press

"He thinks it's going to be fun being governor. It's only fun being governor of New York if you have money to spend, and I spent it all." Nelson Rockefeller on his successor, Hugh Carey.

R-Star

No, it kind of seems like you yourself miss the point EH. But that doesn't surprise me.


Again, I don't want this to get mean spirited or I'll feel bad about it later, but you're completely out of touch with reality. I think your head would explode if you couldn't play the contrarian to anything government or public service related.

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