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ChosenFEW · 08-24-2012, 07:46 AM

Dam women.... Always bringing the man down.

That chick is probably sipping piña coladas on a beach somewhere in cabo San Lucas.

Nimreitz · 08-24-2012, 10:39 AM

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Originally Posted by e-monk

one of the women told him to stop, he kept going - that's rape, go ahead and tell your sister, wife, daughter whoever you like, otherwise

I think that's a HIGHLY spurious claim.

e-monk · 08-24-2012, 10:55 AM

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Originally Posted by Nimreitz

I think that's a HIGHLY spurious claim.

WHY? that's what she claimed - and both women have claimed that he was aggressive to the point of being predatory

but meanwhile we're all worried about him being extradited to a completely different country (the US) that hasnt filed any charges and hasnt made any extradition claims because once he's in Sweden he'll be more vulnerable to a supposed US claim than he is while he is in the UK? is there a country in the world in closer cahoots with us than the UK? is there anyone even in the same neighborhood? if the US wanted him, they'd have him right now

occam's razor, please

**E.H. Munro** · 08-24-2012, 11:05 AM

As a Commonwealth Citizen Assange has legal rights in the UK that he doesn't have in Sweden.

e-monk · 08-24-2012, 12:43 PM

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Originally Posted by E.H. Munro

As a Commonwealth Citizen Assange has legal rights in the UK that he doesn't have in Sweden.

those rights arent standing in the way of him being extradited to another country right now (sweden) which is why he sought asylum in the ecuadorian embassy in the first place (and not, while we're at it, the australian one)

**E.H. Munro** · 08-24-2012, 04:22 PM

The Swedish aren't threatening trial by military tribunal as an enemy combatant for being a journalist. Put another way, it's a heck of a lot easier for the authorities to extradite him on a felony charge to Sweden than a political one to the US.

**Diable** · 08-24-2012, 04:28 PM

How is that even relevant? He isn't wanted for anything in the US. In all likelihood he isn't going to be charged with any crimes in the US because it is too big of a mess and would just result in a big waste of time. Anyone who thinks this through would have to conclude that it's all a big smokescreen. Unless you think this guy is delusional or a paranoid schizophrenic none of the defense you are making are in any way logical. The United States government almost certainly has no intention of trying to extradite this guy. It is simply going to make him a martyr to the fruitcake brigade without accomplishing anything.

No one here has yet explained how or why we extradite him. Why is that?

e-monk · 08-25-2012, 10:57 AM

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Originally Posted by E.H. Munro

The Swedish aren't threatening trial by military tribunal as an enemy combatant for being a journalist. Put another way, it's a heck of a lot easier for the authorities to extradite him on a felony charge to Sweden than a political one to the US.

all of which happened when? ever? there's what is happening right now with sweden and then there's a bunch of unfounded supposition with no basis in fact and which doesnt even make sense for the parties involved

and how the heck does him going to sweden change anything about the US extradition concerns you're expressing? same shit storm, less pliable government to work with etc - makes it less likely

e-monk · 08-25-2012, 10:59 AM

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Originally Posted by Diable

How is that even relevant? He isn't wanted for anything in the US. In all likelihood he isn't going to be charged with any crimes in the US because it is too big of a mess and would just result in a big waste of time. Anyone who thinks this through would have to conclude that it's all a big smokescreen. Unless you think this guy is delusional or a paranoid schizophrenic none of the defense you are making are in any way logical. The United States government almost certainly has no intention of trying to extradite this guy. It is simply going to make him a martyr to the fruitcake brigade without accomplishing anything.

No one here has yet explained how or why we extradite him. Why is that?

all this

**Krstic All-Star** · 08-25-2012, 04:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Diable

How is that even relevant? He isn't wanted for anything in the US. In all likelihood he isn't going to be charged with any crimes in the US because it is too big of a mess and would just result in a big waste of time. Anyone who thinks this through would have to conclude that it's all a big smokescreen. Unless you think this guy is delusional or a paranoid schizophrenic none of the defense you are making are in any way logical. The United States government almost certainly has no intention of trying to extradite this guy. It is simply going to make him a martyr to the fruitcake brigade without accomplishing anything.

No one here has yet explained how or why we extradite him. Why is that?

He would be charged in the US in a lot of counts relating to Wikileaks, no question.

**E.H. Munro** · 08-25-2012, 05:17 PM

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Originally Posted by e-monk

all of which happened when? ever? there's what is happening right now with sweden and then there's a bunch of unfounded supposition with no basis in fact and which doesnt even make sense for the parties involved

and how the heck does him going to sweden change anything about the US extradition concerns you're expressing? same shit storm, less pliable government to work with etc - makes it less likely

It would be exceedingly difficult for the UK to extradite Assange to the US for his work on wikileaks. He's a Commonwealth Citizen entitled to most of the protections of British Law. And that would include extradition to face what are essentially political charges in the US.

On the other hand, extradition on a felony charge to Sweden is rather straightforward, and much much easier to accomplish than a direct extradition to the US. And once in Sweden Assange's status as a Commonwealth Citizen no longer affords him any protection. And even if he's ultimately cleared (and let's be honest here, given that the original prosecutor refused to touch the case on the grounds that the witness statements showed no evidence of a crime, followed by a second interview and a destruction of the original statements this is a likely result), he will be immediately deported from Sweden, and if the US puts in an extradition claim it's likely to be quickly honored by Sweden.

**Prince** · 09-26-2012, 05:27 PM

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The U.S. Defense Department has formally declared WikiLeaks founder Julian Assange an enemy on par with al-Qaida, according to documents that an Australian newspaper said Wednesday it had obtained under freedom of information laws.

The Sydney Morning Herald, the flagship of the Fairfax Media chain, reported that the declassified Air Force counterintelligence documents declare that military personnel who make contact with WikiLeaks or "WikiLeaks supporters" are at risk of being charged with "communicating with the enemy" — an article of the Uniform Code of Military Justice that carries the death penalty.

Fairfax has been investigating whether the Australian government has been informed that Assange, an Australian national, could face U.S. extradition. He is in hiding in the Ecuadorian Embassy in London under diplomatic asylum on Swedish sexual assault charges, which Ecuador granted because of the possibility that he could be extradited to the U.S. on espionage charges.

http://worldnews.nbcnews.com/_news/2...-as-enemy?lite

Shocker

e-monk · 09-26-2012, 05:45 PM

talk about spurious - declassified air force counterintel? ok - let's see the documents

**Krstic All-Star** · 09-26-2012, 06:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Prince

http://worldnews.nbcnews.com/_news/2...-as-enemy?lite

Shocker

I'm not sure Assange/Wikileaks need to be 'the enemy' for article 904, section 104 of the Uniform Code of Military Justice to be applicable. The fact that WIkileaks would publish the information (which the enemy, ie al Qaeda etc. could then read) might be the trigger - not that Wikileaks itself constitutes part of the enemy per se

**Krstic All-Star** · 09-26-2012, 06:03 PM

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Any person who -

(1) aids, or attempts to aid, the enemy with arms, ammunition, supplies, money, or other things; or

(2) without proper authority, knowingly harbors or [protects or gives intelligence to or communicates or corresponds with or holds any intercourse with the enemy, either directly or indirectly;

shall suffer death or such other punishment as a court-martial or military commission may direct.

http://www.au.af.mil/au/awc/awcgate/...%20THE%20ENEMY

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E.H. Munro Baddest Honky Mofo Alive Join Date: Jun 2004 Posts: 24,260 Rep Power: 21474869	re: US documents reportedly refer to Assange, WikiLeaks as 'enemy' The Swedish aren't threatening trial by military tribunal as an enemy combatant for being a journalist. Put another way, it's a heck of a lot easier for the authorities to extradite him on a felony charge to Sweden than a political one to the US. __________________ If everyone loves you you're doing it wrong. "Opium is the religion of the masses." Fred Reed The Power of 99 Press "He thinks it's going to be fun being governor. It's only fun being governor of New York if you have money to spend, and I spent it all." Nelson Rockefeller on his successor, Hugh Carey.

08-24-2012, 04:28 PM	#37 (permalink)
Diable Limehouse Blues Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: North Carolina Posts: 22,140 Rep Power: 14577544	re: US documents reportedly refer to Assange, WikiLeaks as 'enemy' How is that even relevant? He isn't wanted for anything in the US. In all likelihood he isn't going to be charged with any crimes in the US because it is too big of a mess and would just result in a big waste of time. Anyone who thinks this through would have to conclude that it's all a big smokescreen. Unless you think this guy is delusional or a paranoid schizophrenic none of the defense you are making are in any way logical. The United States government almost certainly has no intention of trying to extradite this guy. It is simply going to make him a martyr to the fruitcake brigade without accomplishing anything. No one here has yet explained how or why we extradite him. Why is that? __________________

09-26-2012, 05:45 PM	#43 (permalink)
e-monk All-Star Join Date: Sep 2010 Posts: 5,663 Rep Power: 3201099	Re: US documents reportedly refer to Assange, WikiLeaks as 'enemy' talk about spurious - declassified air force counterintel? ok - let's see the documents

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