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**R-Star** · 09-02-2012, 01:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Ron

Not me.

The Iraqi invasion was built on a bed of lies. That Colin Powell fell for it shows how incompetent he really was.

Yes, we did want to go after the Taliban in Afghanistan because they were known to be protecting Bin Laden and al-Qaeda.

I'm anti war and even I supported going to Afghanistan. You were attacked, you responded.

Iraq was a farce to control oil. That's a whole different story.

**E.H. Munro** · 09-02-2012, 01:28 PM

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Originally Posted by Dornado

I vote, and I would argue that while the parties do have a bunch of disappointing similarities it actually does matter who gets in office... I mean, jesus, did we forget about George W. Bush already?

I wish I could forget him, but the sneaky bastard found a way to win a third term in office. It's like we're stuck in a Being John Malkovichian nightmare and can't escape.

**Diable** · 09-02-2012, 01:34 PM

The real logic behind the Iraq invasion was that the Neoconservatives apparently believed that it would make Israel safer. Hard to figure out how they got to that conclusion, but I don't know why we should not hang people who want to fight a war for the benefit of another country.

Some of the more naive (or cynical) people in the government claimed that Iraq's oil would pay for the war, but that was moronic. It's been over a decade and Iraq's oil production is just now recovering.

**E.H. Munro** · 09-02-2012, 01:37 PM

Had nothing to do with Israel, they were more worried about Iran than Iraq. Hussein's real threat was in trying to convince OPEC to abandon the dollar as the reserve currency. If the OPEC countries were buying up Euros rather than dollars the US economy would have sunk quickly.

**Dornado** · 09-02-2012, 01:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Porn Player

US don't go to war with somebody else in charge?

Bullshit. You, the people, wanted it.

The entire thing was manufactured from the beginning, including the public support... it was a special storm coming together that allowed the neo-conservatives to to mount that war behind the Bush administration. And, some of us the people protested in the streets by the hundreds of thousands.

**Diable** · 09-02-2012, 01:43 PM

Actually a weaker dollar would have helped the US economy in most ways. An expensive dollar makes it impossible for us to compete in manufacturing. We have been complaining about the Chinese artificially keeping the Yuan low for over a decade for exactly this reason. Currency had nothing to do with it and Saddam didn't really have any friends in OPEC any way.

**E.H. Munro** · 09-02-2012, 01:50 PM

If the dollar is no longer the world's reserve currency treasury bill interest rates have to be adjusted upwards to make the dollar a more attractive investment. That means that interest payments on the national debt go up and a larger and larger portion of annual budgets get devoted to paying interest on the national debt. The day the dollar ceases to be the world's reserve currency life as you know it is over.

Nimreitz · 09-02-2012, 02:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Dornado

I vote, and I would argue that while the parties do have a bunch of disappointing similarities it actually does matter who gets in office... I mean, jesus, did we forget about George W. Bush already? Whether it is judicial appointments or administrative and regulatory decisions, national defense... it matters. It may be shades of gray on some issues, but to dismiss politics in general is just as naive as believing that your vote is going to change the direction of the country. Mostly, if you aren't voting you're letting some other idiot decide.

Also, the presidential election is just one office... state and local elections can make a big difference.

I've come to accept that whether I vote or not, some idiot is going decide. Local elections can matter if you care about local issues; generally I do not.

hobojoe · 09-02-2012, 05:53 PM

I think the only reason I knew the RNC was last week is because it was about 50 miles away from me.

As far as voting is concerned, I plan on voting for president but not for Obama or Romney. Out of curiosity, what is this board's opinion of that? Am I "throwing my vote away"?

**Diable** · 09-02-2012, 05:56 PM

You are going to cast a write in vote for Hobo Joe...Or maybe Krusty the Clown. It might be fun to organize something like that....We could get people to vote a Straight cartoon character ticket.

**E.H. Munro** · 09-02-2012, 08:34 PM

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Originally Posted by hobojoe

I think the only reason I knew the RNC was last week is because it was about 50 miles away from me.

As far as voting is concerned, I plan on voting for president but not for Obama or Romney. Out of curiosity, what is this board's opinion of that? Am I "throwing my vote away"?

Vote for Nobody

**Porn Player** · 09-02-2012, 11:12 PM

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Originally Posted by R-Star

My "yard poster" showed people in my neighborhood who I supported, and open up discussion on the matter with my friends and family when they would visit.

Funny enough though that I mentioned various other things I did to help out with the local election, and you decided after that water my response down to my "yard poster".

It's annoying when people do that, huh?

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And now you're changing your argument further to "Look, I'm not saying you can't sway local politics, I'm talking about this big picture here."

My argument has been the same throughout. Go back, read my posts. Stick with doing you and trying to make your life and the life around you better, because John Doe can not change the way the world will pan out.

kbdullah · 09-04-2012, 11:33 AM

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Originally Posted by hobojoe

I think the only reason I knew the RNC was last week is because it was about 50 miles away from me.

As far as voting is concerned, I plan on voting for president but not for Obama or Romney. Out of curiosity, what is this board's opinion of that? Am I "throwing my vote away"?

I actually do wish you could actively vote for None of the Above. So that people who cared but weren't convinced could display their dissatisfaction with the choices available in a tangible manner, rather than staying at home.

Mr. Hobbes · 09-05-2012, 03:06 PM

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Originally Posted by kbdullah

I actually do wish you could actively vote for None of the Above. So that people who cared but weren't convinced could display their dissatisfaction with the choices available in a tangible manner, rather than staying at home.

That's called bitching, and it doesn't help anything.

**E.H. Munro** · 09-05-2012, 06:07 PM

09-02-2012, 01:34 PM	#48 (permalink)
Diable Limehouse Blues Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: North Carolina Posts: 22,374 Rep Power: 14865553	Re: Being...out of touch The real logic behind the Iraq invasion was that the Neoconservatives apparently believed that it would make Israel safer. Hard to figure out how they got to that conclusion, but I don't know why we should not hang people who want to fight a war for the benefit of another country. Some of the more naive (or cynical) people in the government claimed that Iraq's oil would pay for the war, but that was moronic. It's been over a decade and Iraq's oil production is just now recovering. __________________

09-02-2012, 01:37 PM	#49 (permalink)
E.H. Munro Baddest Honky Mofo Alive Join Date: Jun 2004 Posts: 24,480 Rep Power: 21474869	Re: Being...out of touch Had nothing to do with Israel, they were more worried about Iran than Iraq. Hussein's real threat was in trying to convince OPEC to abandon the dollar as the reserve currency. If the OPEC countries were buying up Euros rather than dollars the US economy would have sunk quickly. __________________ If everyone loves you you're doing it wrong. "Opium is the religion of the masses." Fred Reed The Power of 99 Press "He thinks it's going to be fun being governor. It's only fun being governor of New York if you have money to spend, and I spent it all." Nelson Rockefeller on his successor, Hugh Carey.

09-02-2012, 01:43 PM	#51 (permalink)
Diable Limehouse Blues Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: North Carolina Posts: 22,374 Rep Power: 14865553	Re: Being...out of touch Actually a weaker dollar would have helped the US economy in most ways. An expensive dollar makes it impossible for us to compete in manufacturing. We have been complaining about the Chinese artificially keeping the Yuan low for over a decade for exactly this reason. Currency had nothing to do with it and Saddam didn't really have any friends in OPEC any way. __________________

09-02-2012, 01:50 PM	#52 (permalink)
E.H. Munro Baddest Honky Mofo Alive Join Date: Jun 2004 Posts: 24,480 Rep Power: 21474869	Re: Being...out of touch If the dollar is no longer the world's reserve currency treasury bill interest rates have to be adjusted upwards to make the dollar a more attractive investment. That means that interest payments on the national debt go up and a larger and larger portion of annual budgets get devoted to paying interest on the national debt. The day the dollar ceases to be the world's reserve currency life as you know it is over. __________________ If everyone loves you you're doing it wrong. "Opium is the religion of the masses." Fred Reed The Power of 99 Press "He thinks it's going to be fun being governor. It's only fun being governor of New York if you have money to spend, and I spent it all." Nelson Rockefeller on his successor, Hugh Carey.

09-02-2012, 05:53 PM	#54 (permalink)
hobojoe Legend Asteroids Champion! Join Date: Jun 2003 Posts: 22,423 Rep Power: 7699698	Re: Being...out of touch I think the only reason I knew the RNC was last week is because it was about 50 miles away from me. As far as voting is concerned, I plan on voting for president but not for Obama or Romney. Out of curiosity, what is this board's opinion of that? Am I "throwing my vote away"?

09-02-2012, 05:56 PM	#55 (permalink)
Diable Limehouse Blues Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: North Carolina Posts: 22,374 Rep Power: 14865553	Re: Being...out of touch You are going to cast a write in vote for Hobo Joe...Or maybe Krusty the Clown. It might be fun to organize something like that....We could get people to vote a Straight cartoon character ticket. __________________

09-05-2012, 06:07 PM	#60 (permalink)
E.H. Munro Baddest Honky Mofo Alive Join Date: Jun 2004 Posts: 24,480 Rep Power: 21474869	Re: Being...out of touch __________________ If everyone loves you you're doing it wrong. "Opium is the religion of the masses." Fred Reed The Power of 99 Press "He thinks it's going to be fun being governor. It's only fun being governor of New York if you have money to spend, and I spent it all." Nelson Rockefeller on his successor, Hugh Carey.

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