Diable

I'd really like to set them all on fire, but I could beat on them awhile and then ban them. (Assuming that I was quick enough)

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e-monk

a) gay couples adopt and raise children
b) I'm straight and married and I have no kids and dont plan on having any anytime soon but I enjoy all the priviledges entailed and yet there are people out there who cant access those same privilidges based solely on their sexual preference which is discriminatory

Wilt_The_Stilt

It's going to happen eventually.

But Muslims who want more than one wife are discriminated against as well. Do liberals have the guts to tell them that their culture's view of marriage is not as good as another?

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E.H. Munro

Indeed it was. I outlined a logical argument against secular marriage when someone insisted that one didn't exist.

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E.H. Munro

Yes. Polyamory is only bad when it's practised by Mormons and Muslims. If you're just a hedonist it's perfectly acceptable.

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kbdullah

First, if a law is applied universally it isn't discrimination.

Second, as a Muslim, I feel obligated to tell you that the Quran allows multiple wives, but discourages it. So I'd argue that the culture already recognizes that monogamy is greater.

Wilt_The_Stilt

That's your opinion. But others feel differently. Who are you to tell them they can't get married?

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e-monk

see that's the thing, no one said anything about a logical argument against secular marriage

da grinch said he saw reasons that gays should not be allowed to marry (like straight people are), reasons which he ennumerated under the categories 'health', 'logical' (which I guess begs the question 'what other kind is there' but then we've seen his answer already) and monetary

Ron

First of all, "promiscuity" as a word is really judgmental and I hate using it in this discussion...probably best to use something like "proclivities." Or maybe there isn't an apt word out there..."frequency?"

Well anyway, we are the same age and I think you also know your argument just doesn't hold water. Without getting into statistics (which I doubt exist anyway), it is pretty common knowledge that gays had a hell of a lot more fun than straight people did in the 1970s and 1980s, because the moderating female mindset that is constantly ever-present in male/female relationships simply doesn't exist when it comes to men on men. This is well-established and alluded to within the gay community itself.

In a sign of the times ('70s and '80s), straight people didn't have close to the number of bathhouses that dotted the meat markets and industrial areas of San Francisco, New York, Los Angeles, Miami, etc., and these institutions were cited for the incredibly rapid spread of every venereal disease imaginable, and some not even discovered until it was too late...Hep B and HIV, in particular, were amplified through these institutions (for a detailed documentary on this issue, read Randy Shilts' classic "And The Band Played On").

Bottom line, I am not arguing that "marriage" would have been able to curb what happened 30 years ago. But many in the gay community did argue that as well as monogamy as a point of survival. We both lived through those times, so you also know what I am talking about as well.

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E.H. Munro

Let me try this again, I'll even use short words for you.

Da Grinch: "there are health, monetary and logical reasons to be against gay marriage"

Dornado: "there are logical reasons against gay marriage"

Me: "Yes, the same ones against regular marriage."

I don't find the word promiscuous judgmental so much as I find it descriptive. I'm not so politically correct that I'm afraid of offending people with many many sexual partners by describing them as such.

As a member of the community I'm well aware of the dynamic. But what I'm telling you is that 30 years ago, the older members of the community I knew were more monogamous than the people my age. Because they were born and raised in a far more conservative culture. People my age and slightly older were far more promiscuous because of the environment we were brought up in. The AIDS scare changed sexual mores, of course (I have younger friends that went to college in the late 80s that endlessly complained of how hard it was to get laid, to the extent that I probably slept with more women than most of them did).

Anyway, the problem was cultural, and a lot of us will tell you that. The people of the free love generation, gay and straight, overindulged. I was fortunate as for a variety of reasons I never got into the "lifestyle". So I didn't touch coke, or poppers, or any of the other things that were part & parcel of the community 30-40 years ago. Well, most of it anyway. I did a lot of stupid things, but didn't go as far off the edge as most. And like a lot of people went cold after the AIDS epidemic.

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Dornado

Except it was more like:

Me: I can't believe people still argue against marriage equality

Da Grinch: There are arguments against gay marriage...

Me: There are?

You: Yes, the same ones against regular marriage

So you shifted the conversation from one about marriage equality to one about government involvement in marriage. Perfectly valid conversation, just not the one we were having.

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E.H. Munro

No, you were specifically asking a rhetorical question about what logical arguments one could make against gay marriage (with the implication they couldn't exist). I merely pointed out that they do exist, because many of us in the community argue just that. America's marriage laws are a vast shithole, some of us like our privileged status and are loathe to surrender it.

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e-monk

dude whatever

#gettingthelastword

Tragedy

That politician probably is a lustful cockmonster hoping that homosexuality is never fully embraced so he can stay forced into the closet.

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Nimreitz

Do you know anything about the history of this country? This happened with a CHRISTIAN group. Check out the conditions that Utah was given for being granted statehood.

Secondly, why the **** is it illegal in 2012 anyway? I get that bigamy laws can be protection for women who get used by husbands living double lives, but I feel like that isn't happening much these days with facebook and cell phones.